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          "Aircraft"==aircraft model, so ??? = aircraft?

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          4 posts, latest post: ptomblin, Dec 6, 2009
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          1. tfmorris Top Contributor Freebase Experts
            Feb 4, 2009
            tfmorris says:

            I just mistakely typed the China Clipper as an Aircraft before I realized that the type is actually for models of aircraft.  Is there a type for instances of an aircraft  e.g. the "Enola Gay" ?

            1. tfmorris Top Contributor Freebase Experts
              Dec 4, 2009
              tfmorris says:

              The Spirt of St. Louis has been typed as an Aircraft Model as well. Any progress on a type for instances of an aircraft? Can we get the name of /aviation/aircraft_model changed from 'Aircraft' to 'Aircraft Model' so that people know they're choosing the wrong type?

            2. sprocketonline Top Contributor Freebase Experts
              Dec 6, 2009
              sprocketonline says:

              +1 To a new aircraft type (== aircraft instance), and renaming aircraft to aircraft model.

            3. ptomblin
              Dec 6, 2009
              ptomblin says:

              Calling The Spirit of St. Louis an aircraft model isn't such a bad thing - officially it was a "Ryan NYP", but only one was made.

              On the other hand, I think maybe there should be a manufacturer/model or type/model heirarchy to make it clearer.

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          New properties for aircraft

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          3 posts, latest post: ptomblin, Jun 25, 2009
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          1. eranation
            Jun 24, 2009
            eranation says:

            Each aircraft has several models (e.g. Cessna has 172R, 172Q, 172P etc)

            there shuold be a table for the variations or each aircaft will be "new" entry, and a new field called Aircraft brand name will be added (e.g. Cessna is the manufacturer, 172 is the brand name, and R, Q, and P are the model name)

            The following fields should be available for the airplains as well:

            And most important, a place to add reference (where the data is from) should be added to ALL fields (but this is something freebase should add) as a workaround, a general field called tech data references should be added (a list of strings)

             Data from Quest for Performance[46]

            General characteristics

            • Crew: 1
            • Capacity: 3 passengers
            • Length: 27 ft 2 in (8.28 m)
            • Wingspan: 36 ft 1 in (11.0 m)
            • Height: 8 ft 11 in (2.72 m)
            • Wing area: 174 ft² (16.2 m²)
            • Airfoil: NACA 2412 (modified)
            • Empty weight: 1,620 lb (736 kg)
            • Useful load: 830 lb (376 kg)
            • Max takeoff weight: 2,450 lb (1,113 kg)
            • Powerplant: 1× Lycoming IO-360-L2A flat-4 engine, 160 hp (120 kW) at 2,400 rpm
            • * Zero-lift drag coefficient: 0.0319
            • Drag area: 5.58 ft² (0.52 m²)
            • Aspect ratio: 7.32
            • Lift-to-drag ratio: 11.6
            • Wing loading: 14.1 lb/ft² (68.8 kg/m²)
            • Power/mass: 15.3 lb/hp (9.25 kg/kW)

            Performance

            • Never exceed speed: 163 knots (187 mph, 302 km/h)
            • Maximum speed: 123 knots (141 mph, 228 km/h) at sea level
            • Cruise speed: 122 knots (140mph, 226 km/h)
            • Range: 610 nm (790 mi, 1,272 km) at 55% power at 12,000 ft (3,040 m)
            • Service ceiling: 13,500 ft (4,116 m)
            • Rate of climb: 720 ft/min (3.7 m/s)
            1. skud Metaweb Staff
              Jun 24, 2009
              skud says:

              These are all great ideas.  Perhaps someone who has more knowledge of aircraft could jump in?  ptomblin, are you still around?  Interested?

            2. ptomblin
              Jun 25, 2009
              ptomblin says:

              I'm not really around much.  My personal feeling is that a Cessna 172S doesn't really differ that much from a 172R, and maybe a timeline of the differences would be more appropriate.

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          Engines

          1 post, latest post: hedgehog, Sep 12, 2007
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          1. hedgehog Top Contributor
            Sep 12, 2007
            hedgehog says:

            Should not there be a type for aircraft engines? Certainly NK-12 is not an "aircraft".

            Aircraft currently has reference to "engine type" (jet, prop) but not to particular engine (CFM-56, for example)

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          Property suggestion - weight

          2 posts, latest post: patrick, Mar 19, 2007
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          1. patrick Top Contributor
            Mar 19, 2007
            patrick says:

            While searching the web for info on the Rutan Voyager, I noticed that weight (dry and loaded) was one of the frequently-referenced stats. It might be useful to include weight as a property of aircraft.

            1. patrick Top Contributor
              Mar 19, 2007
              patrick says:

              Here's a Smithsonian page with good aircraft property names. I've excerpted some that would be useful generally.

              * * *

              Weight:

              gross: 4,397 kg (9,695 lb)
              empty: 1,021 kg (2,250 lb)

              Engines: Teledyne Continental

              front: Type O-240, 130 hp
              rear: Type IOL-200, 110 hp

              Height: 3.1 m (10 ft 4 in)

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