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          5 posts, latest post: spencermountain, May 10, 2009
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          1. skud Metaweb Staff
            May 5, 2009
            skud says:

            So, we have this new Commons domain, "Engineering", and I've created a type called Material since that was my immediate need.  I know Danny's done some work on Materials Science in his base of the same name.

             I'd like to consider Danny's solid material type for inclusion in this commons -- or rather, copy across properties as relevant.  But I know too little about materials science to know whether it's modeled as best it can be.  Perhaps those people with more knowledge of the subject can help out?

            1. sprocketonline Top Contributor Freebase Experts
              May 6, 2009
              sprocketonline says:

              Having had a look at solid material, I think its a great start.  I'd like to help out and improve this by suggesting the following:

              The schema currently has 6 properties to measure hardness.  It might be better to have one property called "hardness" and alter the 'hardness specification' type to have an additional property called "test used" which expects a type of 'hardness test'. (we can type most of the topics in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hardness_tests as 'hardness test').

              The same approach should be applied for strength. One property called strength which expects a CVT called "strength specification".  strength specification would have a property called "strength term" expecting an enumerated type 'strength term' (yield, compressive, tensile, fatique, impact).  It would also have a "measurement" property expecting a type of MegaPascals.

              I think thermal conductivity should actually expect a type of Watt per metre per Kelvin? the description should specify "thermal conductivity when measured at a temperature of 273K".  (or have a CVT of property 'measurement' expecting type of Watt per metre per Kelvin, and a property "temperature at which the measurement was taken at" expecting a type of Kelvin)

              There are a few more additional properties which should be included:

              • melting temperature - expecting a type of Kelvin;
              • Specific heat capacity - expecting a CVT of measurement (Joules per gram per kelvin), temperature measured at (degrees C), and comments (text).
              •  Coefficient of thermal expansion - expecting a CVT of Per Kelvin and dimension (linear/area/volume).

              Metal should be a seperate type, but have solid material as an included type.  Properties specific to metals would be:

              • Boiling temperature - expecting a type of Kelvin. 
              • Shear Modulus - should this be a metal only property? 
              • Bulk Modulus - expecting a type of GigaPascals.
              • Latent heat of fusion - expecting a type of Joules per gram.
              • Latent heat of vaporization - expecting a type of Joules per gram. 
              • Crystal structure - expecting an enumerated type called "metallic crystal structure" (values would be body-centre cubic, face-centred cubic,  hexagonal, diamond)

              I saw the schema had types for electrical material and optical material already, so properties relevant to these can go there.

              Comments please...... 

            2. sprocketonline Top Contributor Freebase Experts
              May 8, 2009
              sprocketonline says:

              I've created a draft incorporating my comments on Solid material here.  Let me know your comments.

              Above, I had suggested a number of properties which are relevant to Metal only.  I'm not sure that is fully the case - the reference material I was working from only showed that sort of data for metals only, and I jumped to a conclusion.

            3. spencermountain Freebase Experts
              May 9, 2009
              spencermountain says:

              iain, you are so good at this stuff.

              the wikipedia template for chemical elements has alot of this stuff that i can parse for you if we want to start filling in some data on boiling temp etc.

            4. spencermountain Freebase Experts
              May 10, 2009
              spencermountain says:

              kiriily, any chance of getting in contact with danny? he hasn't logged in since febuary.

              can you promote, or move a bunch of his types like electrical material and optical material over to engineeringdraft?   do i need to make a jira for this?

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