Discussions on Exhibitions
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Problem: The Exhibit Type definition does not allow Art Series from what I can tell, only single items.
Ideally, someones art series could be exhibited (along with another artists' series or works) that becomes a Show (Exhibition) at a gallery. I have seen this many times, and it looks like we just need to allow connecting the dots, perhaps with an additional property on the Art Series itself for something like "part of Exhibition" ?
Exhibition name: "LOST & FOUND" Venue: Gallery Brown Date of Exhibition: Nov 20, 2010 Exhibition art displayed: 1. "Dead People's Stuff" series by Richard Dana Smith (that's what he calls his series) 2. selected works by Robert Mars (no series, for him)
http://robertmars.blogspot.com/search/label/Richard%20Dana%20Smith and http://www.facebook.com/pages/Richard-Dana-Smith/167649472475
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Why not just put in the selected works by Richard Dana Smith?
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Not sure I understand you Jeff. I did add 2 of his Artworks here: http://www.freebase.com/view/m/0h8bnb6
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I mean, why not put them in the exhibition? What's gained by entering the series as having been exhibited? (For one thing, putting in the individual works avoids the issue of whether the entire series was exhibited, or just part of it, especially if the artist adds to the series after the exhibition.)
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That's why they do not pay you enough ;) AH ! So, I just simply needed to add the Co-type of "Exhibit" to those 2 Artworks, as I have done now ? It should look much better now, Agreed ?
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Yes, that looks lovely.
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Great. Can I ask a little favor ?
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Perhaps add a with "Artwork" ?
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The description I would like to see would additionally add mention of Artwork and Art Series as an example:
"An exhibit is an item that has been displayed as part of an exhibition. Note that this should only be used for single items, such as Artworks, not for classes of items, such as Art Series"
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I'm not sure what you mean by add a type_hint with "Artwork"? All types generally get Type Hints, and Artwork already has a type description.
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An art series isn't really a class of items, though; it's a specific (group) entity; "paintings" is a class of items. The term "single work" should already exclude art series, since by definition, art series are composed of multiple works.
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Grr... 1. should be Perhaps add a type_hint with "Artwork" ?
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The problem is that I didn't know that Exhibit could be usefully used for this.
I am just trying to help with discovery of the Exhibit type within the web client. Perhaps that is not really possible beyond what we have already ?
I was wondering however if it made sense to have Artwork simply have a delegated property for "Exhibit" ? or maybe add Exhibit as an included type for Artwork ? Just something more to help with discovery... Seeing that lonely property on Exhibit, seems like that same property could easily be put or moved upon the Artwork type itself...but then I guess we still do need to keep Exhibit type...since you could have the need for Exhibits themselves along with a greater Exhibition of multiple Exhibits showcasing numerous Artworks such as ?? :
Exhibition : "Mogadishu - Battles Fought"
Exhibit 1 : "Force Reconnaissance"
Artworks exhibited : A.) Midnight Skyline with Force B.) Preparedness (A Glowing Halo)
Exhibit 2: "Air Superiority"
Artworks exhibited: A.) Brandenburg base military huddle B.) Devil's Wing Advocate
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Exhibits can have be many things, not just artworks, so it needs to be a separate type. Aliasing it as "artwork" would be misleading, I think. I also think you're misreading the definition of the Exhibit type: it's an exhibited thing, not a subsection of an exhibition.
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I do not think I am misreading. "An exhibit is an item that has been displayed as part of an exhibition."
as part of an exhibition sort of lends itself to the idea of a subsection of an exhibition. part-of, subsection, hates_english... ;)
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This is a great base that fills a big arts-and-culture gap in the Freebase commons. I propose to promote it to new commons in the Society category (if you're willing, that is, Frankie).
The only thing I think I'd want to see changed before promotion is documenting all the types.
Any comments?
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Hi,
I think that's a great idea.
Can you give me any pointers in how to document the types properly?
Frankie
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Generally a one to two sentence description of how the type should be used, or what sorts of things should be given the type is sufficient. A format along the lines of "A is a that . ." is typical. E.g. "An Exhibition is an event in which stuff is displayed for a limited period of time. These can include both public and private exhibitions, travelling exhibitions, ". (Note that this is just an example! If this were a real definition, I would have come up with a better word than "stuff".)
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I'd like to promote this. I'll go ahead and write up some descriptions; let me know if you (or anyone else out there!) have suggestions for improvements.
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There's no way to transfer the existing conversation over here, but there's no reason not to start a fresh one.
I'm trying to think of a better name for the CVT than "exhibition venue" but coming up short -- usually we use something like "exhibition duration" or "exihibition/venue relationship" for these. I think a different type should be named "Exhibition venue", and it should be the expected type of your "venue" property. This will allow you to reciprocate that link (which gives you the "linked in as" stuff); you won't be able to reciprocate it from Topic.
The same principle applies to the sponsor, I think. A type called "Exhibition sponsor" could reciprocate the sponsor property, allowing you to easily see who was sponsoring what and how often, etc. It would also avoid the problem of having to have every organization that sponsored an exhibition be a company, since some are surely sponsored by other types of entities.
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Hi Jeff,
Thanks for your suggestions - I'm still getting my head around the way Freebase works.
I'll set up the Exhibition Venue and Exhibition sponsor types now. Is there any easy way of transferring the data from the existing fields?
As for the compound value type (CVT) that links the exhibitions with the places they appear, how about something like 'exhibition run' or 'exhibition opening'?
Also, I'm not sure yet whether the sponsors should be attached to the exhibition as a whole, or the CVT. I think that you sometimes get different sponsors for the same exhibition as it travels to different locations, but equally you also get sponsors who sponsor the exhibition no matter where it appears. Perhaps we need both.
Frankie -
P.S For anyone joining this thread, the conversation started here: http://www.freebase.com/discuss/threads/user/frankieroberto/cultural_heritage
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The Exhibition Venue type looks great. I'm not sure what the right answer for sponsors is. I'm inclined toward the per venue model (like the CVT you have now) -- it will work in all cases, even if it requires a bit more work to enter the sponsor of all the venues of an exhibition. Using two properties (one for venue-specific sponsors and one for all-venue sponsors) will frequently lead to data being entering into the wrong property, no matter how carefully you document them. The only drawback to the single property is that, if someone wants to find all the institutions that have sponsored the entire runs of exhibitions, it can only be done using multiple queries.
Again re the sponsor type, if you do decide to keep the CVT, I'd name it "Exhibition sponsorship", and create a new type for "Exhibition sponsor" that will show the exhibitions sponsored.
If you change the expected type from "Topic" to a new (non-CVT) type, you probably won't have to do any migration. (If it turns out you do, the only way to do the migration is by hand -- this is why it's a good idea to only use a few examples while working on the model!) -
Hi Jeff,
I agree with your suggestion about linking sponsors to the exhibition run rather than the exhibition itself, so I've deleted the 'sponsor' property on the main exhibition type.
I can't quite get my head around 'exhibition sponsor' and 'exhibition sponsorship', and which ones should be a CVT, but I think I'm getting there.
Is there a page anywhere on Freebase which explains how I'd nominate these types to be moved from my domain to the general public domain? -
There isn't a formal process, really. The most common way to do this is to post a request on the data-modelers' mailing list (http://lists.freebase.com/mailman/listinfo/data-modeling). This will reach a larger community than the discussion board, giving more people a chance to provide feedback and make suggestions. Once some degree of agreement (or at least detente) has been reached, administrators can move the types to a commons domain.
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Oooh, me like. :) This is something we've been thinking about doing for the Visual Art domain for a while. I'll have to take a deeper look and play with it some more. Thanks for putting this together!
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Hi faye, Good to have you on board. I think exhibitions are an often-overlooked cultural reference point (although I do work in a musuem so may be skewed in my thinking there)!
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Hmm, I still haven't got the Exhibition > Exhibition run > Exhibition sponsorship > Exhibition Sponsor > Topic chain working right... My head hurts...
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Hmm, apparently linking a CVT to another CVT doesn't work. Any ideas what I do now?
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While it is possible, nested CVTs are not supported in the client. I created a simple sponsorship model a while back you may be able to use: http://www.freebase.com/view/user/cheunger/sponsorship
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Hi, thanks. Maybe I'll copy that.
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Cool, think I've got this working hunky-dory now...
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You could just use it outright - I've made it public, and you could cotype your exhibitions as a sponsored recipient, or add it as an included type to the type...
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I think I'll keep it as it is for now - I'm pleased that I've finally got it working. It's nice to be able to see a list of all the exhibition sponsors (http://www.freebase.com/view/user/frankieroberto/exhibitions/exhibition_sponsor) in one place.
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Frankie, I'm really glad to see you got this working! It's looking good. You might also be pleased to hear that this domain was mentioned in an all-staff meeting here at Freebase HQ as an example of the cool things people are doing with domains :)
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Woohoo! I'm slowly filling it with data...
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How about a way to show participants, esp for art exhibitions. I know the local artist whose egg was displayed at one of the White House East Egg exhibits, and I think it would be cool to show that.
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@evening This should be possible with the 'exhibits' model that I'm going to be adding soon, which will list exhibits (including artworks, historic objects, etc) within exhibitions
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Great, thanks!
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This is done now...
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Can we add an address field to the venues, please? Use "Mailing address" as the expected type. Then our geobot will come and figure out geolocations for each venue, and we can draw them on a map in Parallax like this.
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Can do. Most of the venues already seem to have addresses from a different Type though - how does it work if there are more than one types with address fields?
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No harm done. Worst thing that can happen is if they differ, in which case you might get two pins on the map. But that potential problem already exists in other places, so shrug.
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Heh, fair dos.
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I've got a few comments/questions:
1. I'm thinking we should limit Exhibition Type to some fairly large buckets, to avoid a proliferation of very specific buckets, which are intermingled with more general ones that subsume them. For example, "Art exhbition" vs. "Prints"--- we should just use Art Exhibition.
2. Should we use subject areas like "Science" as exhibition types, or create new topics like "Science Exhibition". I'm favoring the latter, since the field of science feels very different from science as an exhibition type. Even more so with "Education" versuus "Educational Exhibit"
If we limit ourselves to big buckets from #1, at least we won't be creating too many "X Exhibition" topics in #2 where X is already a topic in Freebase.
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It feels to me like it's analogous to many of the "subject" things we already have, eg. Film Subject, Book Subject, or (different naming convention this time) Field of Study.
Think about it -- if you went to the Science topic page, you would see "Book Subject" and a list of books about sciences, "Film subject" and a list of films ditto, and "Exhibition subject" with related exhibitions. This makes sense to me.
The only problem I see is that the *subject* of an Art Exhibition is not really "Art". Let's say it's paintings of cats. The subject is cats, so where do you put the fact that it's an art exhibition, assuming you do want to record it somewhere. It almost seems like there is an exhibition "genre" for want of a better term. I imagine there is a fairly short list of common types of exhibition -- art, photography, historical, science, ??? -- which could perhaps go into an enumerated type.
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We have quite a few exhibition types (32) already, and it would be nice to lump them into a manageable number that would fit nicely into an enumerated type. So, let's see what seems to cover all of these:
- Art exhibition (includes crafts, clothing, jewelry, and sculpture)
- Artifact exhibition- mummies and other really old stuff that you wouldn't exactly call art.
- Photography exhibition- one could all this art, too, but it's a large enough category to stand on its own
- Science exhibition- includes preserved human bodies, hands-on science exhibits
- Memoribilia- collections of old stuff organized around a theme, but not old and junky enough to be called artifacts. Or we could call this historical, but that might confuse it with artifacts, and also art exhibitions and photography could be construed as historical.
So, I think all the existing Exhibition types fit into these buckets. Now, the question is, do we make this a unique property? I could convince myself either way at this point.
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One problematic exhibit for these 5 buckets would be The Best of Manchester. This kind of atypical though, since it's an annual competition, and doesn't travel from museum to museum. It covers art, fashion, and music. it's more of an event than an exhibition. so, maybe we shouldn't worry about this one too much.
I'm thinking we should make the Exhibition Type be a unique property, since exhibits will tend to fit mostly into one category or another (I hope), and that simplifies the task of having to figure out which of the n/5 property values you should assign to the Exhbition Type.
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The correct term for Best of Manchester would probably be "Multimedia".
As for artifacts/memorabilia, I think they should be the same bucket, though I'm not sure what name it should have. I just think the line between them is too blurred to distinguish.
Perhaps Frankie and the UK crowd will wake up soon and set us straight :)
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I forgot to create a bucket for Design, to cover thing that one would find in exhibitions that appear at Cooper-Hewitt.
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Personally, I'm happy for exhibition to sit in multiple 'exhibition type' buckets. Some of the most interesting exhibitions happen in the intersection of multiple disciplines - art and science, for instance.
My original thinking behind 'exhibition type' was that it gives you information about the form of the exhibition, rather than the subject (which is what the subject field is for). So 'award exhibitions' - where shortlisted entries are all exhibited, and then the winners marked - is a distinct form. As are art exhibitions (where there's a form for the labels), Photography exhibitions, and so on...
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OK, I'll leave Exhibition Type(s) as non-unique field. But I would like to convert it to an enumerated type, and I'll add Award and Design to the list above. We can always add more values by going to the Type of Exhibition topic page.
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Actually, I can't do anything at all. Can you add me as administrator on Exhibitions or do the conversion discussed?
thanks,
mike
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I'm having second thoughts about making this an enumerated type. skud suggests we just leave as is, and see how the Type of Exhibition topics proliferate.
So, let's try that, and merge later.
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Have added you as an admin. Agree that we should leave it as it is for now.
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I think the Exhibition Types should generally be called 'x exhibition', and be their own topic, rather than a re-used existing topic.
For instance, 'Multimedia' (http://www.freebase.com/view/en/multimedia?domain=%2Fuser%2Ffrankieroberto%2Fexhibitions) isn't really a 'type of exhibition', but a type of media.
Exhibition types should be able to fit in the sentence 'this exhibition is a xxx' ('art exhibition', 'design exhibition', etc).
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Now thinking back to college art history courses, I wonder if salons, like those organized by the "Académie" in France, and those unofficial ones (such as for impressionism) should be entered in this domain?
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I'm not entirely sure what 'salons' are, but if they're like 'graduate shows' (ie where art/design/multimedia graduates put on an exhibition to showcase their coursework), then I think the answer is an emphatic YES.
I've just added an exhibition which is being put on by a transport company to showcase the future plans for a tube station - if that counts as an exhibition then a student show definitely does.
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