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Fictional Setting doesn't appear to use the correct terminology in one of it's properties. Or perhaps, Fictional Character does not. Confusing at the least.
If you look at Homer Simpson you can see that his Places Lived shows Krusty Burger - That's not true. However looking at the other end at Krusty Burger does show that it's a Fictional Setting and Organization in Fiction correctly and the property "Characters that have been here" describes Characters that have lived or been here.
Perhaps it's best just to expand the property description on the Fictional Character from "Places Lived" to "Places lived or appeared at" ? "Places lived or been to" sounds limiting, I think.
Thoughts?
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It could be that we could change the description from the Fictional character > Places lived property. The key will remain the same I think, but we could re-title it as you suggest: "Places lived or appeared at"
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I'm going to put it to the community, but when I created the return linkage for Characters that have been here it should have been restricted to Characters who've lived here. We shouldn't try to capture every single place visited by Sherlock Holmes in this property, it should be just 221-B Baker St and maybe Dorset (pseudo-retirement). Bilbo Baggin's lived in the Shire (Bag's End, Hobbiton) and Rivendell. So I propose to correct my mistaken widening of the scope of the places lived property to visited to be narrowed back down to just dwelling locations.
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Done.
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Of course this does mean some data cleanup for 'places lived' as we now have restricted the focus of this property.
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Could "Places lived" be added as a property for fictional characters?
Thanks for the implementation of the Height and Weight properties, by the way! I've been using them a lot.
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Sure, we'll model it first on Sandbox, let the community of the Fictional Universes commons view and try it out, then publish the change to Fictional Character and Fictional Setting for this proposed linkage.
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So it is now on Sandbox for the week, then published to Freebase next week if there are no objections or questions. SeeSunnydale for an example.
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Ok, Places lived now exists on Fictional character.
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Hi, I'd like to indicate what fictional universe a fictional setting belongs to. May I suggest adding a property to Fictional Setting for that? Thanks.
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This is a bit of a problem right now -- since the "fictional setting" type can be applied to real locations as well as wholly fictional ones, we'd end up with the property "Appears in these fictional universes" (or words to that effect) on hundreds of real-world locations, which seems pretty weird. I'd love to figure out a way to handle this better, though, if you have any thoughts on it.
We had originally modeled fictional setting similar to the way we modeled fictional character, where the fictional setting and real-world setting were considered two separate entities (thus there would be a "real" London and a fictional London based on the real one), but nobody understood this or used it, so we killed it. -
Two years later I found myself still wishing there were a way to link a Fictional Setting to its Fictional Universe.
I don't think a property "Appears in these fictional universes" would be weird displayed on a location that happens to exist in the real world, since it will be listed under the Fictional Setting type, and grouped with other fictional properties that we have no problem showing today. The type context should make it clear that the property refers to fictional universes.
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I think you're right; I don't really agree with my previous objection anymore.
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The link has been reciprocated.
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Thanks, Jeff. You're on a roll. Time for me to link all of the Harry Potter fictional settings!
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glad to see this change was made.
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I'd like to suggest that either you rename this type "fictional location" or at least set up an alias of that name.
The rationale for this is, all of the other "setting" types are called "location". This would keep the names consistent.
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This was a deliberate choice on our part. We chose the name "fictional setting" because it's accurate for all places that appear in works of fiction -- San Francisco is the setting of many works of fiction, but it is not itself a fictional place. "Fictional location" would only be accurate for wholly imaginary places like Middle Earth or the planet Vulcan.
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I agree. One problem is that not all fictional locations are settings of stories. They may just be reffered to in fiction, for example.
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This is a good point; "fictional setting" should include those fictional locations that aren't actually used as a setting, assuming that they are of sufficient interest for someone to enter, despite the fact that the name is "setting" rather than "location".
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