Discussions on Royalty and Nobility
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I'm planning to add a CVT between Monarch and Kingdom to capture the dates of the reigns. Originally there were from/to dates on "Monarch" but these properties are currently hidden, as they don't really work well for complicated such as James I of England/James VI of Scotland where one monarch rules different kingdoms at different times.
This change will break applications/views that rely on that schema, but as I don't think there are many using it, I don't think it's a particularly high impact change. Unless anyone squeals, I'll do it next week sometime.
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Many titles are associated with an area that the title holder controls, or at least did historically. Can we get a property to link places and titles together?
As an example, the King of Mann and the Isles rules, of course, the Kingdom of Mann and the Isles.
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I just noticed that there's a Kingdom(s) Ruled property on Royal Line which would appear to do what I want, so I guess the question is should this get bumped down to Noble Title. Also, isn't Royal Line just a special kind of Noble Title? Would the two types benefit from a rationalization?
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I agree that a Royal Line is just a special kind of Noble line/family. This is particularly evident in the Holy Roman Empire, which was a loose federation of Duchies and Counties. The rulers of each of the territories weren't royalty (in the sense of a King or Queen), but were Dukes, Grand Dukes or Counts.
To be pedantic, when a title gives control over a territory that title is actualy a Government title, (and the government is more often than not a monarchy/feudal system.) as well as being a noble title.
When the government changes (e.g. when the Holy Roman Empire and its constituent duchies and counties were replaced by the German nation) or when a government's relationship with titleholders changes (e.g. rulings in the UK meant certain titles ceased allowing hereditary membership of the House of Lords), then the title stops being a government title but remains solely as a noble title.
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I think where a title is named after a place, the 'namesake' and 'name source' types should be used.
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I have added a load of titles for Emir and Sultan (which is still only a partial list of all the Sultan titles listed on Wikipedia!). The horizontal list appears awkward for this many titles - could I request that the property be changed to a vertical list?
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Done!
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I've added a Sultans view to the base.
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