Freebase: Discussion about ansamcw

Guitarist: Some properties

2010-01-03T21:14:02.0005Z

how bout handedness?

Music: Thematic catalogs

2010-01-03T03:17:02.0013Z

It looks like few changes are proposed which impact on classical music (a pity), which us where most of this catalog stuff would impact.

I would like to see a single structure for 'classical' music compositions which links to composer (obviously) and catalog. That would be the framework on which other bases (opera, works by composer, songs etc. ). could hang.

Music: Compositional Forms and Sub-forms

2010-01-02T17:05:45.0013Z

Hi, welcome to Freebase and thanks for your contributions so far, which look good to me.

The only reason is because nobody has added that data yet - please do so.

If you have any further questions, please ask and we'll try and answer them as best we can. Cheers!

Music: Thematic catalogs

2010-01-02T17:01:56.0000Z

I think this is a good idea. Some thoughts:

1) It would indeed be beneficial to link composers with their associated catalogs. It would also be good to enable compositions to be associated with their catalog numbers.

2) It would be better for the type to be called Music Catalog rather than Thematic Catalog. "Music catalog" seems to be the more general term and is consistent with Wikipedia e.g. wikipedia's article on the Köchel catalogue is in the Music catalogs category. (As I understand it, a thematic catalog is a kind of music catalog which indexes work by its opening notes -- But i am not a Musicologist!)

3) Expanding on (1) above, if a composition can only be in one catalog (that being the one associated with the composer) then a text field would suffice e.g. "K525" for Eine kleine Nachtmusik. However, it seems likely that more than one catalog could contain the same work, in which case perhaps there should be (following my proposed terminology) a Music Catalog Entry type to link Compositons with Music Catalogs.

Music: Compositional Forms and Sub-forms

2010-01-02T16:35:43.0013Z

Is there a reason why (for example) the various kinds of concerto, such as "Piano concerto" and "Violin concerto", are not included as sub-forms of "Concerto" (at present only the only sub-form of "Concerto" is "Concerto for Orchestra")?

I am new to freebase. I was thinking of adding these relationships but I don't want to "jump in" and mess things up, so I thought I would ask here.

Rock am Ring 1991: praise

2010-01-01T11:56:22.0006Z

Thanks :)

Matt Groening: What's a /common/resource?

2009-12-31T20:55:49.0000Z

Thanks for the link. Hmmm, can't really tell from that what, if anything, needs to be done with these. The wiki page seems to say that /common/resource would co-typed with something else end would hold/link to a URI, neither of which seems to be true in this case.

Digging deeper it looks like the duplicate topics might be part of some kind of Entertainment Weakly experiment/demo (/base/ew) by Alexander, so copying him to see if they should be merged with the Matt Groening who plays in the Rock Bottom Remainders.

Matt Groening: What's a /common/resource?

2009-12-31T15:27:20.0013Z

http://wiki.freebase.com/wiki/Webpage_Proposal

Matt Groening: What's a /common/resource?

2009-12-31T07:14:08.0020Z

There are three Matt Groening topics, two of which are of type /common/resource, but there's no documentation for that type, so it's hard to tell if they should be merged with the Person Matt Groening. They appear to have been created by a bot called 'linkbot'.

Any hints?

Rock am Ring 1991: praise

2009-12-31T01:24:07.0000Z

Johannes, great work on that rock am stuff!

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: A musical group?

2009-12-30T19:28:28.0000Z

LDS is a "special purpose artist" in MBz; I'm going to guess that we don't want to replicate this structure in Freebase, but don't fully understand how it works, either. It should be something we address one way or another when we reboot the MBz imports.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: A musical group?

2009-12-29T08:29:07.0013Z

Correct from what point of view? It doesn't make sense to me that a religion can be a Musical Artist. The Mormon Tabernacle Choir perhaps, but not the whole church.

Pia Fajelagutan: Real Name

2009-12-25T18:14:11.0013Z

The surname might be wrong, By the way. is it spelled like that?

Pia Fajelagutan: Real Name

2009-12-25T18:13:41.0006Z

Is that Pia Fajelagutan's real name? Simply that? No other aliases either? I was finding it hard to get more info on her. Please verify.

Musical Release: Barcode & Catalog Number

2009-12-25T08:31:41.0013Z

Thanks Tom for this explanation.

Phil.B

Musical Release: Barcode & Catalog Number

2009-12-24T23:24:13.0000Z

CVT = "compound value type"

If you're familiar with modeling in UML, it correlates to a UML Association Class. If you're not familiar with UML, it's basically a link + associated data. Rather than saying

CD --> ownedBy --> Phil

it says

CD --> ownedBy (fromDate, toDate) --> Phil.

In actual fact, at the most primitive level, it's just a set of nodes and arcs in the graph, but it's useful to think of this particular "clump" of nodes as a single object or link with attributes.

Musical Release: Barcode & Catalog Number

2009-12-24T23:22:13.0006Z

CVT = "compound value type"

If you're familiar with modeling in UML, it correlates to a UML Association Class. If you're not familiar with UML, it's basically a link + associated data. Rather than saying

CD --> ownedBy --> Phil

it says

CD --> ownedBy (fromDate, toDate) --> Phil.

In actual fact, at the most primitive level, it's just a set of nodes and arcs in the graph, but it's useful to think of this particular "clump" of nodes as a single object or link with attributes.

Musical Release: Barcode & Catalog Number

2009-12-24T20:46:16.0005Z

Yes Chris, I agree with you.

Nevertheless, I don't understand what a CVT means. Could you explain, please?

Your idea of ratings and review is very good but I don't know how to implement such 'personal' fields ...

Regards

Phil.B

Musical Release: Barcode & Catalog Number

2009-12-24T19:16:17.0013Z

I’m not going to say whether Freebase should be used for this. I think Freebase should be used for whatever the community successfully uses it. If I were to include personal ownership, I would have a release ownership type, a CVT that correlates a person with a release and things like purchase date. Otherwise, what does it mean to see that To Venus and Back was purchased on 1999-10-20, 2002-05-30, and 2005-07-16? To see that Jane purchased it on 1999-10-20, Bill purchased it on 2002-05-30, and Joe purchased it on 2005-07-16 is arguably a little more useful. Even more useful, users could associate ratings or reviews with their ownership, as well; it would be a way to provide some access control via whatever app is creating those ownership nodes.

Musical Release: Barcode & Catalog Number

2009-12-24T17:47:58.0006Z

Dear Chris,

I admit that my type 'Musical Release (Details)' is redundant. Actually this type is a kind of test and will probably be erased in a near future.

You've noticed that I've included a 'Puchases Date' field because I would like to enter individual ownership information but I realize that FreeBase may not be intended for this purpose. What would be the best way to handle this 'Purchase Date' information?

Regards

Phil.B

Musical Release: Barcode & Catalog Number

2009-12-24T17:05:06.0000Z

I hadn’t noticed the Barcode type. That would be good. However, rather than linking your own Musical Release (details) to Barcode and then co-typing Musical Releases , I think it would be better to co-type Musical Releases as Barcoded Items. In general, your Musical Release (details) seems largely redundant. Original Release Date is present already. What does “Year of this Edition” gain? And “Purchase Date” confuses me; are you proposing to enter individual ownership information? The MusicBrainz ID is already present, as well, via a key, and AMG and Discogs links are best handled as keys into a namespace.

Musical Release: Barcode & Catalog Number

2009-12-24T16:54:31.0013Z

Hi Crism,

and thank you very much for pointing me to the location of the catalog number. Now I understand the goal of the 'Local Release' topic.

I notice that Barcode already exist in FreeBase : http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/base/barcode/barcode This type allow to link an item (i.e. a Musical Release) to a Barcode.

Once again, many thanks for helping me on this topic.

Regards

Phil.B

Musical Release: Barcode & Catalog Number

2009-12-24T14:53:19.0005Z

First, I misspoke above; we do have the catalog number, just not the barcode. Moreover, we have the date and place of Release Events. That really should be enough. See To Venus and Back for an example. I don’t believe we imported this information from MusicBrainz initially.

Musical Release: Barcode & Catalog Number

2009-12-24T14:19:05.0013Z

Yes you're right, the release date could be one way to distinguish 2 releases, but the how to differentiate a UK release and a French release which should be different but released a the same date ?

I think that, as it is implemented at MusicBrainz, the only way to differentiate 2 releases is to specify BarCode, Catalog Number and even Release Date.

Regards

Phil.B