Freebase: Discussion about crism

MLB Rookie of the Year Award: Award or Award Category?

2008-10-11T00:38:13.0017Z

Is this an Award or Award Category? If it's an award category, what's the overall award? How do we model the fact that each year the honor is bestowed upon a player from the National League and a player from the American League, if not as award categories?

The Running Man: Shouldn't there just be one entry to rule them all?

2008-10-10T16:30:19.0012Z

Ah I see. So in reality we would want to link them properly and remove the incorrect types that have been associated with either of the entries. Thanks for the clarification.

The Running Man: Shouldn't there just be one entry to rule them all?

2008-10-08T22:16:41.0012Z

Oh, goodness, no! It is silly to say that a short story stars Jesse Ventura and Mick Fleetwood, and equally silly to say that a film is in a collection of short stories. In general, we avoid this kind of conflation, and use the Adapted Work and Adaptation types to connect them. It’s also worth noting that this particular film is actually based on both the story and a French film, something that would not be true of the original story. The separation also allows users to have one a a favorite but not the other, and to allow comments to be clear on their actual subject.

The Running Man: No, don't merge

2008-10-08T21:44:35.0017Z

The book and the film are unique entities in their own right (quite dissimilar in my recollection), now the topic for the film should be an Adaptation of the Adapted Work that is the book.

The Running Man: Shouldn't there just be one entry to rule them all?

2008-10-08T21:23:44.0017Z

And contain all the information about the book and the film?

Alabama Song: don't merge

2008-10-08T21:22:32.0017Z

Made a mistake, this is a musical track of the composition.

Alabama Song: don't merge

2008-10-08T21:20:53.0017Z

This should just be a musical track for the actual composition, I think.

Fantasy literature: Merge fantasy and fantasy literature?

2008-10-07T18:30:56.0012Z

I'd be in favour of merging.

Fantasy literature: Merge fantasy and fantasy literature?

2008-10-07T00:48:18.0031Z

Do we need a separate genre for each medium?

That's what the separation of fantasy and fantasy literature suggests. If so, we need to be clearer about which is which, as right now books seem to be tagged with one or the other somewhat arbitrarily.

I'm not completely convinced that merging is necessary, but some form of cleanup or disambiguation appears to be.

None: Absence of information vs. information of absence

2008-10-03T19:43:18.0012Z

This topic may be poor substitutition for indicating the absense of something, but the fact that it's extremely well-used in so many situations by so many different users suggests that it serves a real purpose.

Freebase, after all, is an open data community, and the community has found a need for a "None" topic. Unless or until a better alternative is provided, this well-used topic is simply too relevant to be removed from the system.

Please keep.

None: Absence of information vs. information of absence

2008-10-03T17:33:40.0012Z

On another note... even if we deleted "None", it would keep popping up again and again as people kept trying to use it.

None: Absence of information vs. information of absence

2008-10-03T17:23:39.0012Z

I disagree with Daniel that absence of information is sufficient. However, I agree that this peculiarly polymathic poymorphic None is a poor way to indicate it. As a concrete example, on my Person topic, I have no value for the Spouse or Children properties. In one case, it is because of privacy for the other party or parties involved, and in the other, it is because of a positive lack of value. A way to concretely indicate known, negative value would definitely be useful.

None: Absence of information vs. information of absence

2008-10-03T13:51:37.0012Z

This page should be marked for deletion. It serves very little purpose. The absence of information is a sufficiant indicator that a property is empty or invalid.

Candide: Play or Opera?

2008-10-02T07:22:29.0012Z

Neither !

Candide is first of all a novel by Voltaire in which he pokes fun at Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz (the inventor of the infinitesimal calculus) and his priciple of philosophical optimism ("all is for the best in the best of all possible worlds").

Second, it is a comic operetta by Leonard Bernstein based on this book. An operetta is a little opera, strictly a play with songs, entr'actes and dances.The term has become synonymous with "light opera." Operetta is a hybrid between play and opera but a genre in itself !!

Now it is up to you how you model this...

Candide: Play or Opera?

2008-10-02T00:11:35.0012Z

And what about Rock Operas and where do they merge into musicals and... augh!

How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying: Please split into play and film

2008-10-01T22:14:09.0017Z

Splitting time please.

Candide: Play or Opera?

2008-10-01T20:16:09.0017Z

I changed some of the data here that pertained to Voltaire's original story (e.g. the operetta was written in 1956 or so, not 1759). But this topic raises an interesting problem -- are operettas plays or operas? Or rather than open up a problem that's presumably unresolvable (Wikipedia, at least, suggests that the boundary is pretty fuzzy), how should this one be modeled?

Candide has a composer (Bernstein), a librettist or book writer (Hellman or Wheeler depending on the version), and a lyricist (Wilbur). The musical composition type gives us properties for two of them (composer and lyricist); the play type also has types for composer and lyricist, and also brings in author from the written work type. The presence of a book writer suggests that it should be a play; the fact that it is performed as an opera suggests it should be an opera. We could just treat it as both, but that does leave some duplicated properties (the composer and lyricist properties, at minimum).

Thoughts?

Nautical Antiques: dupe.

2008-09-29T15:14:12.0005Z

Duplicates should be merged, not deleted. This topic has the Wikipedia identifiers associated with it.

Nautical Antiques: dupe.

2008-09-29T05:45:28.0017Z

of this:

Nautical Antiques

There's nothing lying around, it should be deleted.