Freebase: Discussion about frankieroberto

frankschloeffel: I'm confused

2009-11-11T09:45:41.0030Z

Hi,

I think I understand what your are meaning. Maybe it makes more sense for you to type Jewish Communities as religious jurisdictions? (I think, you can type them as both “organization” and “jurisdiction”, but I also agree that this might confuse. I already gave the example of the Jewish Community in Berlin http://www.jg-berlin.org/en/about-us/organisational-structure.html) Is there a possible to change the type from religious organization to jurisdicticion by using an app?

vtalwar: Why delete?

2009-11-11T08:57:40.0029Z

VT, you should be able to unflag this topic for deletion in the page history, as a staff member you should see revert buttons, search for the adding of the deletion flag operation and select revert.

frankschloeffel: I'm confused

2009-11-11T07:32:49.0010Z

[adding Frank so he sees this thread]

I don't think repurposing topics in this way is a good idea. It's one thing if the Wikipedia definition gradually drifts and Freebase follows along, but to take an existing topic about one thing and use it for something entirely different will just cause confusion.

If a community topic is needed, it shouled be created separately. I also don't understand the typing with Religious Organization. I would have thought that that applied to the rabbis and their heirarchy, not a collection of townfolk who go to a particular temple (or all temples).

Manufactured Component: Relationship with Business commons types?

2009-11-11T07:18:44.0029Z

The thing that a consumer sees as a single product is an elaborately choreographed dance behind the scenes. I'd guess that that is what the Manufactured Component vs Consumer product split is supposed to indicate. There's a lot more variability to an Apple 8 GB iPod Nano than just the casing color. In the manufacturing/design workflows that I'm familiar with, the whole thing is driven by BOMs (bills of materials), part numbers, variants, and revs with all changes under change order control.

A change as small as a newly edited "Thank you for buying me" letter or a different firmware load for an EPROM will cause new part numbers/revs to be assigned. Any part could be multi-sourced, so they could be using Foxconn and Benchmark or Foxconn could be using both Samsung and IBM flash memory or there could be multiple printing vendors qualifier for manuals or -- well, you get the idea.

Two otherwise identical parts from different vendors get different part numbers, because that's how all these changes get tracked. Whether or not a component change results in a different part number for the higher level assembly gets decided by the design engineer and/or product manager, but at a minimum, a change will create a new rev.

Once Apple sells the product on, they become the "manufacturer" for the next level vendor (say I'm doing an iPod + hoodie + earbuds bundle) and Foxconn vs Benchmark becomes invisible.

I'm not sure tracking things at this level has any use outside of the manufacturer/designer, but that's how it's done in my experience and it does support having different views of who the manufacturer is internally and externally.

imserious: data.gov

2009-11-11T00:41:30.0059Z

OK, so this is related to a previous discussion post on Standard Occupational Classification System. The taxonomy itself isn't really of much interest. It's just a list of numbers and associated job classifications (although the numbers imply a grouping of similar types of jobs). It's not going to help you train people for new and emerging occupations like Chief Sustainability Officer (11-1011.03) or Green Marketer (11-2011.01). If you need the number for cross referencing to something else, you could define a schema that includes it which extends the Job Title type (or some other appropriate type) to include the needed information. You could use the job lists to help identify Freebase topics which are not correctly typed yet (as I just did with Chief Sustainability Officer).

There is a Tools and Technologies file which might provide a starting point, although the first few lines aren't very encouraging. It says, for example, that a Chief Executive Officer needs to not only be able to use a 10-key calculator and desktop computer, but also a laptop computer, USB flash drive, and smartphone. In addition to those tools, they'll need familiarity with such technologies as email software, a web browser, and Powerpoint, Hopefully some of the other occupations have more useful information for you to work with.

Oops, just noticed that this data may not have a compatible license. You can probably get it fixed since U.S. Government data is supposed to be public domain, but it'll mean working with their lawyers (ick!). If you look at http://www.onetcenter.org/agree/database, it says no license is required, then goes on to lay out the terms of their license (huh?), including an advertising requirement saying that you need to use their "O*NET In It" mark. This requirement isn't compatible with Freebase's Terms of Service or licensing.

I don't have any direct interest in this stuff, but I'd be happy to help with schema review, data loading questions, etc.

skud: Deletion of "History of Jews in"-topics

2009-11-11T00:02:43.0054Z

Hi,

As I learned, Jewish communities are organized as public corporations (like Jewish Community of Berlin: http://www.jg-berlin.org/en/about-us/organisational-structure.html). The "problem" with "Jewish Communities" at all is that the term of the religious jurisdiction and the organization are identical. (mmmh?!) I will add the religion property associated_with as soon as possible.

best regards,

Architecture: Structural height

2009-11-10T23:39:06.0038Z

A missing property that seems of interest amongst the height-loving skyscraper-o-philes is Occupied floor height.

Highest possible terrestrial-structure-based human viewing spot is the Occupied floor height.

Could be placed within /Structure or /Skyscraper (former makes the most sense as it already has the related roof height).

Architecture: Structural height

2009-11-10T23:39:06.0038Z

A missing property that seems of interest amongst the height-loving skyscraper-o-philes is Occupied floor height.

Highest possible terrestrial-structure-based human viewing spot is the Occupied floor height.

Could be placed within /Structure or /Skyscraper (former makes the most sense as it already has the related roof height).

Film: Production credit, Executive versus the rest

2009-11-10T21:47:57.0038Z

I think the break would be pretty catastrophic given how many apps are built on Film now.

I would strongly prefer a new property over mediating the Producer relationship.

Battery: Schema comments

2009-11-10T21:43:00.0059Z

This is a tricky one, since Battery has its foot in two levels of the schema. Saying strictly that Battery is for the category would be esthetically pleasing, but would require the fairly silly state of having two "Toyota Prius Battery" topics -- one for the category and one for the manufactured component. I think the thing to do is not include either Manufactured Component or Manufactured Component Category, and just add them manually as necessary.
Sounds good.

Manufactured Component: Relationship with Business commons types?

2009-11-10T21:35:55.0014Z

I am wondering about the relationship of the Manufactured Component type to the Consumer product type, if any. Obviously, not all manufactured components need to be treated as consumer products, but some surely should be, which leaves us with a bit of a denormalization, I think, unless the expectation is that the properties "Manufacturer" (from the Manufactured Component type) and "Made by company" (from Consumer Product) are not necessarily the same thing. E.g., Apple is the correct value for "made by company" for an Ipod, but Foxconn is the manufacturer. Is that the idea?

Also, I think there might be a bit of collision between Manufacturing Plant (MP) and Business Location, since Business Location explicitly includes factories as one of the things it can represent. Although I see we already have this problem in the Automotive domain, with that manufacturing plant type. However, the fact that MP has a CVT for operation complicates this somewhat, since Business Location is not time-mediated. I don't have any proposals for resolving this at the moment, but I think it bears discussing.

Battery: Schema comments

2009-11-10T21:30:31.0006Z

I think they should. I''ve fixed this.
It depends. Battery has specific batteries, e.g. Toyota Prius Battery (a Manufactured Component); but it also works for more generic types of battery, e.g. Alkaline AA battery. (Manufactured Component Category). Should we assume that categories will be more prevalent than specific batteries?
Invention projects was what I was angling at, but on reflection it's unlikely that we'll have that much data on projects focusing on batteries (unlike construction projects for buildings) - so perhaps better if removed. If there is a project it can always be added manually.

Film: Production credit, Executive versus the rest

2009-11-10T21:16:47.0058Z

I prefer inserting the mediator, although it's a breaky change. It would bring film into line with TV shows, though: TV Producer term

Product designer: Schema comments

2009-11-10T21:09:41.0067Z

Good point. I've removed them.

Film: Production credit, Executive versus the rest

2009-11-10T20:57:33.0026Z

I believe it may be advantageous to separate out the role of an Executive Producer from that of the Producer (and Assistant/Associated Producer).

We could do it simply with a new property for Executive produced by, example on sandbox, that points to Film producer. Regular production and associated/assistant production would remain with original property.

(Better might be inserting a mediator between Produced by and Film Producer, with enumerated topics for Executive, Associate, Assistant, and blank for the regular credit.)

Any objections? Improvements?

Product designer: Schema comments

2009-11-10T20:51:02.0038Z

I wonder whether Company and Employer should be included on this type -- it seems to me that a lot of products will have been designed by individuals.

Battery: Schema comments

2009-11-10T20:45:53.0037Z

Should the IEC and ANSI/NEDA properties be unique? I don't know anything about them, but this sort of data is often unique.
Instead of including Manufactured Component (which is for specific products), should Battery include Manufactured Component Category instead?
Does project focus make sense as an included type for Battery? I suppose it could, since each kind of battery must have been invented somehow.

popstra: Made Celebrity Sex Tape?

2009-11-10T19:28:42.0026Z

Now that Carrie Prejean has joined the swelling ranks of celebs and wanna-be-celebs that have made a naughty video for a loved one that has come back to haunt themeselves, we should probably acknowledge this activity with a 'made sex tape' and maybe 'nude photos exposed/leaked to press' type.

I can think of no finer base for this data.

skud: Deletion of "History of Jews in"-topics

2009-11-10T17:39:02.0007Z

What would merging the topics give you? The topics I flagged for deletion were untyped, so they have no properties. I'm not sure merging would "History of Jews in X" with "X Jewish Community" is right, and I have to admit I'm a bit dubious of "X Jewish Community" as a topic at all. Would we also create "X Catholic Community", "X secular community", and the like? I see you have included the type "Religious Organization" but that's more usually used for formal organisations than people with a certain faith in a certain geographic area. Eg. the Union for Traditional Judaism or United Synagogue Youth. Though they don't all appear to be correctly imported and typed and have their religion property set correctly, there's a good list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_organizations

frankschloeffel: I'm confused

2009-11-10T01:03:46.0048Z

I'm not quite sure what to make of this topic. It was originally a Wikipedia topic called "History of the Jews in Laupheim" (which article is still in Wikipedia under that name), but has been renamed, and typed as an Organization. I guess there are two issues here. One is whether repurposing an article imported from Wikipedia such as a "History of X" or "Economy of X", etc. into a topic about the "X" part of the name is desirable, or whether new topics should be created. The other is whether this topic makes sense as a Religious Organization/Organization, which I'm not sure about.

vtalwar: Why delete?

2009-11-09T23:33:23.0013Z

Whoops, that wasn't right, thanks for catching me. I'll try to unflag it.

imserious: data.gov

2009-11-09T17:46:31.0040Z

I'm especially interested in the data coming out of Department of Labor. I'm trying to match up their occupation classifications with job descriptions and competencies. Then I want to build a data set of serious games and match them with the occupations and competencies.

I would like to bring other national/regional occupation data into the database as well.

Ideas? Help?

imserious: data.gov

2009-11-09T17:45:52.0046Z

I would like to bring other national/regional occupation data into the database as well.

Ideas? Help?

imserious: data.gov

2009-11-09T17:45:16.0029Z

I would like to bring other national/regional occupation data into the database as well.

Ideas? Help?

vtalwar: Why delete?

2009-11-07T09:28:04.0031Z

Why was this flagged for deletion? To me, it seems like this is a valid video game. See Wikipedia on the original Myst and the realMYST website

skud: Deletion of "History of Jews in"-topics

2009-11-06T08:25:39.0013Z

Hi Skud,

I created a type for Jewish Communities a few days ago. I would like to merge the existing "history of the Jews in"-topics, which are dealing with villages or towns whith existing Jewish Community topics. Or I will just rename and type them appropriatly. Is it possible to revert the existing votes on specific Jewish communities, like Prague, Laupheim etc.

best regards,

Frank

imserious: data.gov

2009-11-06T01:55:23.0013Z

Some of the data is already being used like census data, HUD foreclosure data, GNIS data, etc. A lot of that stuff was on the 'net before data.gov came around. It's just centralizing the cataloging (and prodding the laggards).

Was there a particular data set that you were interested in which is missing? Usually it's people's specific needs that drive loading of the data.

imserious: data.gov

2009-11-05T19:59:40.0005Z

do you have plans to use data.gov as a source? Please.

Anne Derryberry (imserious)