Freebase: Discussion about jg

hdplus: Please add structured data to Freebase

2009-12-09T09:54:44.0016Z

Hi and welcome to Freebase.

Freebase welcomes topics about companies and buildings, but please try to add structured data about them rather than simply advertising spiel as you seem to have been doing so far. I've made a start for you with the Peabody Orlando topic, but the rest is up to you :-) Please note that using Freebase for advertising is against the Terms of Service and is likely to get your account blocked if you continue.

Thanks!

bozemanrealestate: TOS violation warning

2009-12-09T06:08:49.0013Z

Best thing for you to do is delete what shouldn't be wherever it is now; this is a confusing site to use. Violations were unintended.

bozemanrealestate: TOS violation warning

2009-12-09T06:00:10.0013Z

Taunya,

You are in violation of freebase terms of service; in particular, section 12.5 . Your discussions will be deleted, and your bases may also be deleted. Any further violations will result in your account being locked. Perhaps you can contribute positively to freebase by adding structured information about your real estate company as a /business/company.

Military: confusion

2009-12-09T05:41:25.0013Z

How will it steal writes? Are types in this base appearing higher than types in the military commons?

Military: confusion

2009-12-09T05:36:27.0013Z

i'm worried this type will steal writes intended for the military commons, rename it?

General Support: Can I import a JSON dataset ?

2009-12-08T23:31:13.0000Z

Great, but I'm not sure how to :P

Should I write an app?

Thanks for your reply.

General Support: Can I import a JSON dataset ?

2009-12-08T22:22:34.0006Z

Sure, as long as it's appropriately licensed.

General Support: Can I import a JSON dataset ?

2009-12-08T22:17:58.0000Z

Generated with dbpedia.org/sparql ?

louie: Welcome to Freebase

2009-12-08T18:34:13.0013Z

Thanks for the welcome, lain.

I appreciate the heads up on how to post information. I will be more cognizant of the protocol for next time.

louie

General Support: Can I export delicious bookmarks to Freebase?

2009-12-08T18:00:32.0013Z

I understand your general goal, but I'm having a hard time figuring out how tagging services will work in the example that you gave. A spreadsheet is definitely the most directly applicable approach, in my mind, but I see a couple of possibilities for tagging services.

If you use a service like Diigo that has a comment field, you could define a little meta language for describing attributes. e.g. Found: 1956 Owner: Rupert Murdoch etc...

This is flexible and powerful, but is completely free syntax with no tool support, so any errors won't get caught until you try and parse the information and find you can't understand it.

You could define a set of tags and meanings for their mappings so that a news web site that gets tagged with "Egypt" you interpret as meaning that they cover Egypt as geographic area of focus. You could extend this so that "hqEgypt" means headquartered in Egypt while "coverEgypt" means they cover Egypt, but this quickly explodes out of control (and is counter to how people expect the tags to work). The problem is that you basically trying to encode the column heading and cell value from your spreadsheet in a single tag. This only works well for a small universe of values (for example, your date founded example wouldn't fit very well like this).

It seems like a spreadsheet is a better fit for detailed data collection. Perhaps you could use a tiered approach with one set of people doing identification and basic categorization of sources with a smaller, more sophisticated followup team that use spreadsheets to capture the data (perhaps transcribed from a filled-in email template that you have people submit information via?).

I don't feel like I'm helping very much, but I don't think I know enough about conditions on the ground to be able to offer relevant advice.

louie: Welcome to Freebase

2009-12-08T15:51:28.0000Z

Louie,

Welcome to Freebase. I see you've made a number of good contributions already which is great. Thanks for those.

I'd like to help make your contributions even better, and have a tip for you. I hope this is OK. I saw you had added the budget of The Back-up Plan as $50 million. Unfortunately you had listed the currency as "50 million", when it should actually be US dollars, and the value being the number 50,000,000. To get things on Freebase perfect first time it's always best to look at other topics to see how these are filled in. For example taking a look at the Titanic topic helps, as it is a film with a large budget and a lot of fans so is likely to be filled in correctly.

When filling out people's children, you should really fill out the property using the child's name. (otherwise a new child called "1 son" is created and eventually every single-child parent would all end up as parents of the same topic which really messes up Freebase!). If the name of the child is not known, then it's OK to use a name such as "Child of Joe Bloggs", as we have done with William Shakespeare's siblings. One of our busy community members has flagged "1 son" for deletion already, so you will have to enter the information for Alex O'Loughlin and Kavan Smith.

I hope this helps, and leave a comment if you ever need assistance with anything on Freebase.

Iain

The Best of Both Worlds: Split this two-part episode

2009-12-07T23:57:04.0022Z

Copying the information manually is probably the easiest way, since some of it pertains to only one or the other of the episodes, and some of it pertains two both.

Beowulf: co-type as a book?

2009-12-07T23:51:34.0020Z

You're making some good points, and I'm not quite sure how to best address them right now. But I think we might need to reconsider the relationship between books and translations (and therefore between translations and other kinds of works) now that we have so much more data and can see how it's being created and used.

Jean-Luc Picard: Person or being in fiction?

2009-12-07T22:29:19.0007Z

The best I can think of (which I forgot about when I posted this question) is my Derived Character type for fictional characters that are based on or inspired by other fictional characters. http://www.freebase.com/view/user/duck1123/default_domain/derived_character

Jean-Luc Picard: Person or being in fiction?

2009-12-07T22:16:11.0015Z

Yeah, there isn't really a type for clones. But fictional characters should never be typed with the "person or being in fiction" type.

Electron: Particle type?

2009-12-07T22:12:10.0022Z

Phil: Ahh, I see. There is no way to make a model like that which will work in the client. MQL doesn't care about nested CVTs, but the client balks at them.

Beowulf: co-type as a book?

2009-12-07T19:13:12.0021Z

hmmm - if a user is using filtered views based on books that won awards (because they aren't a programmer and don't write queries - or don't know to use literature) they won't find it.

It also just seems counter-intuitive for a book award winning work to to not be a book.

What about the 60 or so other Beowulfs currently typed as books - are they all unique books or are many of them also translations?

Beowulf: co-type as a book?

2009-12-07T18:59:20.0006Z

It should show up in queries for awards -- use the award category "subject or discipline" property, and filter for "literature". One of the main reasons translations aren't books is that a Book Edition can only be an edition of one book; if Translations are Books, then the edition has to be an edition of two Books -- the original book and the translation.

There might be a case for making Translations also be Written Works, and delegating "Translator" from "Author"; there was a reason I didn't do it that way, but it might not pertain any more -- I'll have to see if I can find my notes.

Beowulf: co-type as a book?

2009-12-07T01:49:45.0017Z

I would be inclined to type this translation as a book but haven't yet as that seems contrary to the use of the translation type. However, this particular translation has won several book awards but won't show up in any book award queries or views that are book based without adding the book type.

Thoughts from publishing admins or others?

jg: About artist..

2009-12-06T19:55:58.0019Z

Hi jg, I started this account because I am the musician Ronii's manager and we are updating outdated information on the web about him, we don't use Wikipedia anymore. If you have any questions or concerns you can contact me on here for further inquiry if need be. Great site you have here! Lots of great information. Thanks

Electron: Particle type?

2009-12-06T18:40:32.0008Z

Jeff: composition is already non-unique. Ideally, what I'd like to end up with is something like the structure pictured here, but none of the "xxx" nodes make sense to be topics themselves.

Jean-Luc Picard: Person or being in fiction?

2009-12-06T02:37:13.0015Z

Doesn't the presence of this type indicate that he is a real person and that the character of Shinzon was inspired by him?

It seems this relation would more accurately be defined by a "Fictional Duplicated Character" type

The Best of Both Worlds: Split this two-part episode

2009-12-06T01:37:31.0018Z

I've typed this as the multipart episode, but I'm holding off on manually creating the individual parts. Should I just copy information to the new episodes, or is there a better way?

Electron: Particle type?

2009-12-05T11:00:08.0020Z

I've deleted particle statistical family and group - the particle type is looking nice and clean now.

For π⁰, I guess we could have a formula (i.e. text) similar to a chemical compound formula, but then we lose the linkage to the quarks it makes up. Otherwise I think we'll have to leave composition of π⁰ etc and self antiparticles as open questions for now.

Another question: why doesn't the Browse view for an Electron display its particle properties?

General Support: Can I export delicious bookmarks to Freebase?

2009-12-04T18:43:21.0006Z

Thanks for getting in touch Tom.

I want to create a base of media sources on Freebase. Our team of journalists is based in places like Gaza and Somalia with very low bandwidth and low experience of using tools as powerful as freebase. We want to encourage them to use very simple tools to supply the core data and then bulk upload this to freebase.

Imagining we used a spreadsheet to do this, each column entry would relate to the source (topic of our focus) by virtue of its row. And it would be defined as a property/type by virtue of its column head.

Could we replicate this on delicious or a similar bookmarking tool? That's to say, to have one account used to bookmark these sources. Tags would relate to the source url/ source name in the same way that rows would relate column entries to sources. These tag could also contain information contained in the column head of the spreadsheet.

So this entry in a spreadsheet:

Topic Date Founded Al Ahram 1956

Might become this tag: datefounded/1956

It seems a big issue for us is being able to enable our journalists and data researchers to do the leg work using tools they know and understand. Unfortunately, due to funding constraints, we don't have the resources to build an app to talk with freebase and enable this work to happen directly into freebase. A spreadsheet seems the most obvious solution, but a bookmarking tool would enable us to grow more community around our effort.

I'd be grateful of your thoughts.

Thanks, George

Electron: Particle type?

2009-12-04T18:37:21.0013Z

Composition of π⁰: Could composition be non-unique, and defined as "possible compositions"?

General Support: Can I export delicious bookmarks to Freebase?

2009-12-04T18:02:32.0000Z

Can you explain a little bit more about what you are trying to do?

Tags/folksonomies tend to get used differently than more structured data like Freebase has. Because the tag namespace is flat, there's no way of telling whether #apple refers to the fruit or computer company or record label or ..., other than convention and looking at the things which are tagged. Because of this, you'd probably need some type of human assisted mapping of tags to Freebase types/instances to get things to work correctly.

Also, Freebase isn't really set up to be a generic bookmark repository. You can add a web link (or links) to any given topic (and create new topics about web sites), but usually the URL is just a small part of the structured information available about a topic.

Electron: Particle type?

2009-12-04T12:05:57.0011Z

I've added particle family to the particle type so I think we can now drop particle statistical family and group. I've also engaged in some property reciprocation.

Self antiparticles: ugh. The double links solution is pretty horrible. The only other solution I can think of would be to have a "self antiparticle" boolean, but that's probably even worse.

Composition of π⁰: in slight handwaving terms, the π⁰ can be thought of as alternating between being composed of (an up quark and an up antiquark) and (a down quark and a down antiquark), but never (an up quark and a down antiquark) or any of the other combinations. The only ways I can see to model this either end up with CVTs inside CVTs or creating a topic for something like "composition of the π⁰".

Spin: yeah, I screwed up the pion spins. Good catch. Now fixed, I think.

General Support: Can I export delicious bookmarks to Freebase?

2009-12-04T11:40:46.0025Z

Is there a way to use tags to import data into freebase?

Electron: Particle type?

2009-12-04T00:49:03.0013Z

I like the hadron type!

I've changed spin to float and updated the spins that were already entered in (note: Wikipedia says pions have zero spin? also, should spins be negative?). I'll start moving types from my base to the new base soon.

Electron: Particle type?

2009-12-03T18:48:31.0031Z

Self antiparticles: There isn't a way to set a particle to be its own antiparticle using a sibling-relationship CVT -- the CVT has only one property to hold both particles, and you cannot enter the same topic as a value for a property more than one time. The only work-around would be to use something that resembled a phylogeny pattern, with two linked properties "antiparticle" and "antiparticle of". This is kind of ugly, but would handle the π⁰ case. The problem with this pattern is that you have to enter all the relationships in twice for all particles that aren't antiparticles of themselves -- once in the "antiparticle" property, and once in "antiparticle of".

Composition of π⁰: I'm not sure what "linear combination of (up-antiup) and (down-antidown)" means, but I can see in Wikipedia's list of mesons that there are several mesons with similarly complex compositions.

Uncertainties: we can do this -- see how we handled it for atomic masses.

Spin: Agreed -- let's make it just be a float for the particles. We can refactor the Particle Spin type separately.

Electron: Particle type?

2009-12-03T13:07:45.0013Z

More from me... it doesn't at the moment to seem possible to set a particle to be its own antiparticle (try it with the π⁰). Any thoughts on a way round this one?

Also, we need to find a way to model the composition of the π⁰, which is a linear combination of (up-antiup) and (down-antidown).

I'll shut up for a bit now and let other people get a word in edgeways :-)

Electron: Particle type?

2009-12-03T10:14:50.0012Z

Two more thoughts from the way to work: do we want to include uncertainties on properties like mass, etc? Also, I created a hadron type to model the composition of baryons and mesons.

Electron: Particle type?

2009-12-03T08:38:34.0006Z

Yes, it would allow people to enter the class as "fermion". If we really wanted to avoid that possibility, we could have "particle family" type (quark, gauge boson, meson, etc) which link to a "particle class" type (fermion, boson, hadron), but that seems to me to be to getting towards creating types for the sake of it.

Spin: just a floating point number, yes. The particle spin used in chemistry is the same concept, but it's typically expressed in a different way.

In other news, I've created the particle [physics bas](http://particlephysics.freebase.com/)e and added the particle family type. Luke, you're an admin so you can move your types over there if you want.