Freebase: Discussion about pak21

Musical Release: Barcode & Catalog Number

2009-12-24T12:27:54.0013Z

Hi Crism,

thank you for your concern about this idea.

Actually my concern is 'How to differentiate two releases of the same album ?', for example the first original Audio CD release and the Remastered release. As these releases will show the same title, the same tracks, the same artists, etc, I don't see any way to differentiate these ones appart by specifying BarCode and/or Catalog Number.

Your idea of a client widget seems appealing but could be more specific about it ? How to implement this widget ?

Regards

Phil.B

Musical Release: Barcode & Catalog Number

2009-12-23T19:31:10.0013Z

I think it’s a question of how much we want to duplicate MusicBrainz. I think there is real value in bringing their artist/release/track data into our more clearly interlinked world, but I am not sure that same value applies to catalog information. A client widget to dynamically pull that information into the display would be pretty cool. I could be convinced either way, though.

Musical Release: Barcode & Catalog Number

2009-12-23T18:18:06.0018Z

It would be very convenient to include into the Musical Release type the following items : - the Catalog Numer - the Barcode

What do you think about that ?

Regards

Phil.B

Merger

2009-12-23T14:19:19.0014Z

The Wikipedia article for "Gopher Snake" is now a redirect to "Bullsnake", so merge; Pituophis catenifer also exists elsewhere.

Developer Support: Query Freebase with SPARQL

2009-12-23T12:20:21.0000Z

I would like to query Freebase from my application using a SPARQL query. What would be the best way to do that?

Column: Unsyndicated columns?

2009-12-22T23:21:32.0000Z

Ahhh, OK. +1 on the new type.

Christopher Jones: Delete - Wikipedia disambiguation page

2009-12-22T22:15:16.0013Z

Movie data has been moved to the actor. The remainder can be deleted.

Sports Association: Team/League association not dated

2009-12-22T19:17:33.0006Z

I agree -- adding a CVT to the relationship between any team and any league(s) would be a much better way to model this. I'll create a JIRA task for the proposal (DA-1020). This would be a major change, so we'll have to run it past the mailing lists.

Sports Association: Team/League association not dated

2009-12-22T19:17:33.0006Z

General Support: read only in app

2009-12-22T18:58:51.0013Z

Add details...

Location: UN/LOCODE and NUTS

2009-12-22T18:39:39.0013Z

Looking at the NUTS info, it looks like we'd need a new type "NUTS region" or the like -- the NUTS codes (at least for Europe) frequently don't correspond to actual administrative divisions of countries.

I'm tempted to say that UN/LOCODE should just go on Location, though -- it seems like a lot of different things (mostly cities and airports, I guess) can have them, but I'm only saying this based on about ten minutes looking at the UN/LOCODE data.

Peter Morgan: Delete, not merge

2009-12-22T18:34:54.0005Z

Delete, not merge - Wikipedia disambiguation page.

John Mathieson: Delete, not merge

2009-12-22T17:56:14.0005Z

Wikipedia disambigation page.

Location: UN/LOCODE and NUTS

2009-12-22T16:48:32.0013Z

Certain classes of UN/LOCODE are included implicitly (like the IATA airport codes), but I don't believe there's any place where all of the information is included.

Location: UN/LOCODE and NUTS

2009-12-22T10:56:43.0000Z

Is there any location type that holds information about the UN/LOCODE and/or the NUTS information of a location?

Sports Association: Team/League association not dated

2009-12-22T10:39:10.0006Z

I don't get why the Sports Association type suggests that a sports team is a member of a league and that does not change. If it would change, all historical data of a league participation would be gone once the Freebase topic is brought up-to-date, and I don't think that's a good idea. :)

The way the Football League Participation and Football League Season are modeled makes much more sense - to me - which is why I originally modelled Handball League Season and Handball League Participation after those types.

Even though these custom built types for each sport seem to work relatively well right now, it seems to me that it our data would be better for a lot of things if there was a generic "Sports League Participation" type in the commons and if the Sports League Season refered to the sports league and the participating teams somehow.

I would really like to see the sports commons a bit more flexible than they ae right now. The sports leagues that I know of have some relegation and promotion to higher leagues etc., so a team's place in a league is not ever set in stone. :)

Sports Association: Team/League association not dated

2009-12-22T10:39:10.0006Z

Computer Emulator: Add emulated peripherals?

2009-12-22T04:32:18.0005Z

Column: Unsyndicated columns?

2009-12-22T02:31:23.0000Z

Wait. Back up. The whole "collection of columns" idea was in response to your first reply to this thread, wherein you resisted the notion of creating topics for each individual column, and instead just "start with the column topic, give it a year range, and link that CVT to the collection", as you put it. My thought was that we could use one model for that approach, which would allow people to connect columns to collections without needing to go ahead and create topics for each individual instance of the column; we could still use the existing publication model alongside that to enable people who want to link individual columns. Yes? Or did I completely misunderstand your previous post?

Column: Unsyndicated columns?

2009-12-22T01:02:26.0009Z

Publication can be used to model a collection of columns where each column article is a published work. For columns that don't have individual titles, I'm guessing the topic name would follow TV talk show episodic name format -- like "January 10, 1996". After all, usually it's not the column in its entirety that's collected, but individual pieces, sometimes within a date range, sometimes grouped by subject matter.

Can you elaborate on how exactly "collection of columns" would link the collection to its content? It's not clear to me what the alternative would be.

Column: Unsyndicated columns?

2009-12-21T21:25:08.0030Z

So your suggestion is that the instance of Column itself would be the Published Work? My issue with that is that a long-running column may generate multiple books. For atomic works (stories, essays, poems, etc.), all Publication instances containing that work represent publications of the same single work. However, with Columns, you can't make that assertion -- each Book publication is going to be a completely different subset of articles. It's similar to saying that a Literary Series should be a Published Work if part of the series is collected in book form.

Column: Unsyndicated columns?

2009-12-21T20:47:34.0006Z

Why would we need a new type for "collection of columns"? Publication is used to model collection of short stories today. I don't see why it wouldn't work for columns.

Column: Unsyndicated columns?

2009-12-21T20:12:55.0013Z

Great. Here's where I think we stand with promoting this schema to the commons:

Figure out how to model both syndicated and unsyndicated columns
Create a type for Collection of Columns
Document types and properties.

Did I miss anything?

Computer Emulator: Add emulated peripherals?

2009-12-21T12:26:26.0013Z

One thing it would be nice to be able to model for some work I'm doing is which peripherals are emulated by each emulator - any objections to adding "Peripherals emulated" and "Peripheral classes emulated" to this type, and probably the reverse properties as well?

Column: Unsyndicated columns?

2009-12-19T13:19:37.0030Z

current column type does not specify type of publication; so magazine, newspaper, and newsletter columns would fit in current schema.

+1 to new type "collection of columns." Stephen Jay Gould's books that began as columns in Natural History come to mind.

Column: Unsyndicated columns?

2009-12-18T00:23:45.0013Z

This would additionally require a new type "collection of columns" or the like, which would have an included type of Book.

Column: Unsyndicated columns?

2009-12-18T00:22:24.0013Z

A property on the Column type for "book collection" or "collected in" would answer your use case. Reifying individual columns using the current publication model would answer mine. I see no reason both couldn't exist side-by-side.

Column: Unsyndicated columns?

2009-12-17T22:08:07.0005Z

I was just pondering how to link columns to collection of columns published as books. Must topics for individual columns be created, or can I just start with the column topic, give it a year range, and link that CVT to the collection? I can't imagine entering individual columns for Herb Caen, for example, whose 50+ year career produced columns at a frequency of 5-6 days a week, even if I could find and correlate that data. Besides, his columns are not reprinted verbatim but heavily edited to omit anything too newsy and rearranged for flow. Technically the books don't really contain the original columns.

Video Game: Games "based on" existing works (e.g. films)

2009-12-15T23:09:07.0000Z

I thought about using the Adaptation type too...it would require an uncommon if not unusual interpretation of the word "adaptation". The Lego Star Wars games do follow the films' plot line closely, so I suppose it would make sense. Definitely will cotype with Work of Fiction.

Video Game: Games "based on" existing works (e.g. films)

2009-12-15T08:15:39.0013Z

I'd use adaptation: this game is an adaptation of Episodes I-III while this one is an adaptation of Episodes IV - VI, and they're both works of fiction set in the Star Wars Universe (without personally caring "which" Star Wars universe that is, but I appreciate other people might).

I'm not sure that the LEGO theme and the video game series should be the same topic.

Video Game: Games "based on" existing works (e.g. films)

2009-12-15T00:45:51.0005Z

Hi,

How should I use to link a video game that either exists within the realm of or extends that of an existing work, such as a film? For example, I would like to say that the Lego Star Wars game series is derived from the Star Wars films, and is a part of the Star Wars franchise. There are several Franchise types but none pertains to video games. There's also Consumer Product with property Product Line that can probably be used to link books and films and games and toys of the same theme together.

Another possibility is to use Fictional Universe to indicate that a game is defined within a fictional universe. However, some fandoms are quite sensitive about Canon vs. Expanded Universe. Video games can be problematic when it comes to continuity.

Suggestions?

Sports Association: Add Organization as included type

2009-12-13T23:10:52.0013Z

I asked that question because I would like to see some general types like Sports governing bodies, Sports recurring event, Athlete... I noticed that you are working on something similar in your Sports sandbox base.

Sports: Tiger Woods is not a sports team

2009-12-11T00:31:09.0013Z

I mean, he's talented and all, but... The problem is that Tiger Woods is, indeed, currently typed as a sports team. This happened because someone entered various golf tournaments as Sports League Championship Events, which they aren't, really, and therefore, by asserting Tiger Woods as the winner of these events, he became a Sports Team. So the real, underlying, problem is that we don't seem to have any types for championships for non-league sports. A short-term solution would be to simply use the Competition types, but I'm not sure how satisfactory that would be in the long run. Any thoughts?