Freebase: Discussion about sgmils

The History of Protestantism: Real?

2009-11-14T08:20:43.0013Z

Can anyone confirm this book exists? The article has been deleted from Wikipedia.

Rock music: ROCK & ROLL

2009-11-14T04:22:17.0000Z

ROCK & ROLL IS NOT THE SAME AS ROCK MUSIC AND IT AS AS DISTINCT AND DIFFERENT AS JAZZ, RYTHYM & BLUES (WHICH IS NOT R&B AS WHAT YOUNG PEOPLE MISTAKENLY CALL OTHER PABLUM), OPERA, FOLK AND CLASSICAL MUSIC AS A START!! I HAVE BEEN IN ROCK & ROLL AS WELL AS TEACHING MUSIC AND PLEASE DO NOT DELETE AGAIN OR MERGE TO ROCK MUSIC!!! THANK YOU FOR THE FORUM TO MAKE CLEAR THAT ROCK & ROLL IS PURE AND NOT DILUTED OR CONTAMINAED BY WEAKER GENRE ROCK MUSIC!! IT HAS A SOUL!!

Law review: Field of study?

2009-11-13T21:12:58.0013Z

You're right. My guess is that this was from a WP infobox or category load. I've removed the type and property assertions.

Contents: Credited to

2009-11-13T14:37:53.0035Z

Great, thanx for the information.

Contents: Credited to

2009-11-13T11:10:07.0006Z

As this isn't structured data, I suggest just separating authors with commas or the like. That's how the equivalent field on book edition is used.

Landry: Split

2009-11-12T23:23:17.0005Z

Composite of every author with the surname Landry.

Contents: Credited to

2009-11-12T14:20:54.0021Z

There are a few publications with more than one author. Can you please unmark the "restrict to 1 value"-field?

Law review: Field of study?

2009-11-12T10:36:41.0064Z

This doesn't right to me. Isn't "law" the field of study and "law review" an alternate name for journals in that field of study?

Business Location: Classification property for Retail Location?

2009-11-12T08:15:53.0014Z

That would work, although I'd try to avoid using the word 'type' in schema - it gets confusing when discussing schema types.

Literary Series: Genre?

2009-11-12T05:00:48.0016Z

Oh rock on. Thanks for the perspective. Lightweight containers make pedantic librarians nervous. ;)

Book Edition: Hide old ISBN?

2009-11-11T23:22:43.0014Z

Yes, thanks for reminding us!

Business Location: Classification property for Retail Location?

2009-11-11T22:08:52.0005Z

How about "type of business location" as a name?

Business Location: Classification property for Retail Location?

2009-11-11T21:53:31.0001Z

Just came across this. I'd definitely support a business category property on business location.

It would be useful to model whether a business location operated by a company is a cafe or their offices.

The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference: Merger or Translation

2009-11-11T20:13:23.0009Z

There should (or at least could, if someone wants to make it) be a Translation topic called "Der Tipping Point. Wie kleine Dinge Großes bewirken können", but the instance of /publishing/book Der Tipping Point. Wie kleine Dinge Großes bewirken können isn't it -- it has a key associated with it that is properly on a Book topic, and once the Open Library book editions load is done, it will presumably also have editions, which definitely need to be linked to the The Tipping Point Book topic. One could split all the data over to the English topic, but at that point, it's much easier to just create a new Translation.

Consumer product: Relationship with Business commons types?

2009-11-11T20:06:59.0030Z

Re iPod: The choice of at what level of the consumer product/product line hierarchy to put the manufactured component type is probably an important one. The semantics of the Manufactured Component type would seem to drive this toward a lower level in the hierarchy -- either to Consumer Product itself, or to a lower-level Product Line. Material Composition by Mass is the most obvious in this regard, but even properties like Total Production and End of Production are arguably more interesting at the lower levels (e.g. iPod Nano 4th Generation or whatever).

Business Location: Parent_Company is Unique

2009-11-11T19:20:51.0021Z

Um, I can't think of a good reason why it's non-unique. I'll throw it out to the mailing lists to see if anyone can think of a use case (and also because uniquifying is a breaky change).

Consumer product: Relationship with Business commons types?

2009-11-11T19:15:38.0030Z

Manufactured component should be the set of all consumer products, and also government produced items and B2B items etc..

I've entered data to illustrate the Apple, Foxconn (aka Hon Hai Precision Industry Co.) & iPod relationship http://www.freebase.com/view/en/ipod/-/base/engineeringdraft

In this case the manufactured_component site with the product_line and not the consumer_product type, but given the phylogeny pattern I think this is suitable. (or do we need a manufactured_component line??)

@Tom, so long as we get a high-level relationship that a manufacturer had something to do with the creation of a component I think that should be sufficient. We don't really need the fine-grain detail of individual part instances and their serial numbers at this time, but I see your point of how the differences that make a component distinct from other components is very minute.

@Jeff, wrt Manufacturing Plant - I think you are correct. The operations of a manufacturer in a plant are HAS-A location, not IS-A, so including /business/business_location seems best. I've emphasised this relationship by renaming manufacturing_plant as manufacturing_location. Also removed the CVT between a manufacturing location and the operating manufacturer.

In addition I had a couple of suggestions for improvement of /business/business_location see:

Business Location: Closing date

2009-11-11T19:13:46.0035Z

Yes! We should have done that ages ago -- sorry about that!

Business Location: Parent_Company is Unique

2009-11-11T18:57:20.0030Z

Is there any reason why parent company is non-unique? Could it be unique?

Throw in a /business/business_location/closing_date and as business location HAS-A /location/location, business location provides time-mediation between an individual company and a location.

Business Location: Closing date

2009-11-11T18:51:13.0024Z

ah no! it's to remain HAS-A location http://markmail.org/message/db76hw73tdof6upm?q=freebase+list:com.freebase.data-modeling+date:200911+from:%22Jeff+Prucher%22&page=1

Scrap the request for dated location!

Could we get a /business/business_location/closing_date though?

Business Location: Closing date

2009-11-11T18:39:50.0017Z

If I understand https://bugs.freebase.com/browse/DA-808 then business location will be IS-A location. If so, can we reconsider using the dated location type? This would allow us to then delegate business location's opening_date property (and a new closing_date property) to the relevant dated location property.

Malyshev Factory: Split

2009-11-11T15:45:45.0041Z

This is a conflated topic.

It has types for 3 different semantic entitites:

the (state owned) company.
the building, structure & location.
the work/production carried out in the building - i.e. the business location type.

These should ideally be split out to three different topics.

The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference: Merger or Translation

2009-11-11T12:41:48.0013Z

I do not know too much about the Book schema atm, but could The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference vs Der Tipping Point. Wie kleine Dinge Großes bewirken können be two different topics, Der Tipping Point. Wie kleine Dinge Großes bewirken können being a translation?

Book Edition: Hide old ISBN?

2009-11-11T10:38:51.0000Z

Should the old ISBN property now be hidden?

Consumer product: Relationship with Business commons types?

2009-11-11T07:18:44.0029Z

The thing that a consumer sees as a single product is an elaborately choreographed dance behind the scenes. I'd guess that that is what the Manufactured Component vs Consumer product split is supposed to indicate. There's a lot more variability to an Apple 8 GB iPod Nano than just the casing color. In the manufacturing/design workflows that I'm familiar with, the whole thing is driven by BOMs (bills of materials), part numbers, variants, and revs with all changes under change order control.

A change as small as a newly edited "Thank you for buying me" letter or a different firmware load for an EPROM will cause new part numbers/revs to be assigned. Any part could be multi-sourced, so they could be using Foxconn and Benchmark or Foxconn could be using both Samsung and IBM flash memory or there could be multiple printing vendors qualifier for manuals or -- well, you get the idea.

Two otherwise identical parts from different vendors get different part numbers, because that's how all these changes get tracked. Whether or not a component change results in a different part number for the higher level assembly gets decided by the design engineer and/or product manager, but at a minimum, a change will create a new rev.

Once Apple sells the product on, they become the "manufacturer" for the next level vendor (say I'm doing an iPod + hoodie + earbuds bundle) and Foxconn vs Benchmark becomes invisible.

I'm not sure tracking things at this level has any use outside of the manufacturer/designer, but that's how it's done in my experience and it does support having different views of who the manufacturer is internally and externally.

Consumer product: Relationship with Business commons types?

2009-11-10T21:35:55.0014Z

I am wondering about the relationship of the Manufactured Component type to the Consumer product type, if any. Obviously, not all manufactured components need to be treated as consumer products, but some surely should be, which leaves us with a bit of a denormalization, I think, unless the expectation is that the properties "Manufacturer" (from the Manufactured Component type) and "Made by company" (from Consumer Product) are not necessarily the same thing. E.g., Apple is the correct value for "made by company" for an Ipod, but Foxconn is the manufacturer. Is that the idea?

Also, I think there might be a bit of collision between Manufacturing Plant (MP) and Business Location, since Business Location explicitly includes factories as one of the things it can represent. Although I see we already have this problem in the Automotive domain, with that manufacturing plant type. However, the fact that MP has a CVT for operation complicates this somewhat, since Business Location is not time-mediated. I don't have any proposals for resolving this at the moment, but I think it bears discussing.

Job title: SIC Codes

2009-11-10T00:25:17.0006Z

NAICS 2007 codes have been loaded into Freebase on the Industry type. There's a mapping from NAICS 2007 to SIC 1987 here: http://www.census.gov/epcd/naics02/N02TOS87.HTM.

Computer scientist: Title

2009-11-09T14:20:30.0013Z

I've changed the name back for now, as I believe "computer scientist" is by far the more commonly used term worldwide; I've never seen the term "computing scientist" used, and I'm not in the US. Google would seem to support this: 983,000 hits vs 14,700 worldwide and 46,300 vs 820 in the UK. Similarly, Wikipedia doesn't even have a redirect for "computing scientist".

Carl Lorenz: Merger

2009-11-09T09:52:21.0027Z

Those seem to be father and son, so I voted "don't merge".

C. Lorenz Company: Industry for C Lorenz Company

2009-11-09T09:11:52.0131Z

I didn't get to finish this, and in German maybe the "and company" is something else. They produced landing equipment for planes which was adopted by most airports during the 30's, and are somehow tied into developing equipment similar to that used in the "Enigma Code" . They were later taken over by ITT, the telecomunications giant. Maybe I can find some more, but what exists on the "net" is in German (very good but my German isn't) .

Trade union: Strike action

2009-11-09T06:28:29.0013Z

I'd like to model which Trade Unions were participant/organisers of various strike action events. How about a new property on trade union, strikes, linking to a new type, Strike action? Strike action would include event.

George Clark: Multiple authors

2009-11-09T04:51:06.0003Z

The European history books are likely by Sir George Clark. Not sure how many others are mixed in.

C. Lorenz Company: Industry for C Lorenz Company

2009-11-09T01:46:19.0019Z

Hi dsinclair. Navigational Transit isn't a "real" industry, and I'm not sure how to map it to an NAICS code.

What did C Lorenz Company do? Did they manufacture? Or sell? Or provide a service? That would be the first step in determining the Industry. Then doing some searches on the NAICS page you can narrow down the appropriate industry, making sure that the code you choose matches the type of service (manufacturing, service, etc).

Doing this, are you able to find a comparable Industry (which is based on an NAICS-type structure)?

Thanks

Computer scientist: Title

2009-11-07T00:56:37.0018Z

The title "computer science" is an American term. Not every country uses it since it focuses more on computers (the physical machines) rather than the actual subject matter of computation (the abstract ideas that computers execute).

Job title: SIC Codes

2009-11-07T00:44:31.0013Z

oh lovely, I got error messages so I tried again, but it posted anyway. oh well

Job title: SIC Codes

2009-11-07T00:43:52.0000Z

SIC Codes refer to Industry, not job title. And Industry is based on NAICS mostly, since that is the newer classification code system.

Job title: SIC Codes

2009-11-07T00:43:17.0013Z

SIC Codes refer to Industry, not job title. And Industry is based on NAICS mostly, since that is the newer classification code system.

Job title: SIC Codes

2009-11-07T00:42:59.0013Z

SIC Codes refer to Industry, not job title. And Industry is based on NAICS mostly, since that is the newer classification code system.

Business: New type: trade union

2009-11-07T00:14:35.0018Z

FYI, I just created a new Trade Union type in this domain. It's quite simple, and just links to industries and professions which the union represents. There are reciprocal links from each of those types back to the union. Trade union also includes organization and employer.