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Philosophy: some thoughts on new philosophy types

2008-09-05T13:23:00.0012Z

i feel the sentence about racism and or tolerance is genius.:

who am i to tolerate the presence of another human being?

i have to be thankful that you exist. your presence around me is an honor for me.

i appreciate that such a God,s creature honors me sharing the same air she or he breathes.

yekishim has my interest among all thoughts for the first time.

something very new. very modern. very nuique.

thank you

Philosophy: some thoughts on new philosophy types

2008-09-05T13:19:58.0012Z

is yekishim a philosophy? a thought or a religion?

i would like to know more about the yekishim.

this subject has my interest for some time but i can seem to find any detail writings on ar about it.

thank you.

Songwriter: Songs composed

2008-09-05T05:41:45.0012Z

... then why does John Cage have the "Song composer" type without anything on it??

Songwriter: Songs composed

2008-09-05T05:41:45.0012Z

... then why does John Cage have the "Song composer" type without anything on it??

Songwriter: Songs composed

2008-09-05T04:32:42.0012Z

Please use the “Works Composed” property of the Composer type.

Songwriter: Songs composed

2008-09-05T04:32:42.0012Z

Please use the “Works Composed” property of the Composer type.

Songwriter: Songs composed

2008-09-05T03:52:57.0018Z

Cris, please give us "Songs composed," I need it for John Cage. Thank you

Songwriter: Songs composed

2008-09-05T03:52:57.0018Z

Cris, please give us "Songs composed," I need it for John Cage. Thank you

Contributing Large Datasets: NNDB Links for People

2008-09-05T03:28:16.0012Z

I've uploaded a new version of the data to the sandbox. If no one has any objections, I'll add it to the main site.

Is there a limit on how many writes I can do on the main site? Will I be able to make 19,000 writes in a day?

Architectural contractor: Contracting firm

2008-09-05T00:25:55.0012Z

similar issues exists with other properties of /architecture/structure: architectural firm, engineering firm, architect, engineer. you're right. it's not well normalized. i like your idea of a mediator/role. I think what I'd like to do is keep the properties that I currently have on /architecture/structure

architectural firm
contractor
engineering firm

and have the expected type for each one be a different mediator type with a whole bunch of information about the role:

project
client
firm
start date
end date

perhaps, in the case of the contractor role there could be someone way of "tagging" the role as one of sub or general contractor. other properties could be added as needed: list of staff members and their roles? there is some question about how much detail we really need, as with it comes schema complexity. anyhow, any other thoughts on this?

Architectural contractor: Contracting firm

2008-09-05T00:25:55.0012Z

architectural firm
contractor
engineering firm

and have the expected type for each one be a different mediator type with a whole bunch of information about the role:

project
client
firm
start date
end date

Philosophy: some thoughts on new philosophy types

2008-09-04T23:50:13.0012Z

Fair points. I noticed that X Subject is a fairly standard type (quotation subject, book subject, etc.) so that seems like a useful adition.

If a your idea of the philosophical movement type requires a commitment to a set of beliefs, then it sounds more like an ideology. I guess it would be useful to identify a family of beleifs that a group of thinkers have adopted. I think School of Thought or Philosophical School of Thought would be a better name for what you describe than philosophical movement.

Good luck with the Wikipedia inport!

Military: casualites

2008-09-04T22:52:28.0012Z

I agree that this is probably the right choice for now, lacking a more comprehensive structure. Any thoughts on what the expected type of the property should be?

Military: casualites

2008-09-04T22:52:28.0012Z

I agree that this is probably the right choice for now, lacking a more comprehensive structure. Any thoughts on what the expected type of the property should be?

Philosophy: some thoughts on new philosophy types

2008-09-04T21:37:20.0012Z

All of the types I recently created were designed to reflect the relationships found in the Wikipedia Philosopher infobox. I'm working on importing all of that data, although the semantics have turned out to be very blurry, so I might have to rethink it.

On your points:

- Philosopher is already a profession topic, but a dedicated type is needed simply to hold the relevant properties. Also, not all Philosophers are professional philosophers, so there is a semantic difference between those two assertions.

- Philosophical Subject is intended to be very broad, and it could include things that aren't necessarily "disciplines" within Philosophy.

- Influence Nodes are strictly people, so there is no overlap there. I'm not sure about overlap with Field of Study either. For instance, I think of Philosophy of Mind as a Field of Study, but not as a Movement. A Movement (by which I mean a school, tradition of thought, etc.) should have a set of specific beliefs attached to it.

La rondine by Giacomo Puccini - Third version completed by Lorenzo Ferrero: Split

2008-09-04T21:12:21.0012Z

Thank you, Bryan, we are discussing this now with Jeff per email and will let you know about the outcome. Cheers

La rondine by Giacomo Puccini - Third version completed by Lorenzo Ferrero: Split

2008-09-04T20:35:53.0012Z

I agree with Jeff. I am sure it was a tremendous event, but in terms of freebase, I don't think the topics should be conflated. The production of the opera and the opera itself should be discrete topics.

La rondine by Giacomo Puccini - Third version completed by Lorenzo Ferrero: Split

2008-09-04T18:27:17.0012Z

...because it was a tremendous event! It was the premiere of the third version of the opera, after more than 70 years of waiting for it. Besides,describing it separately does not duplicate any of the productions presented above! Please let us continue this discussion per email, there is a lot more to say about this!

Publishing: Possible revision for Journal Articles

2008-09-04T18:09:52.0012Z

If Jounal Article were linked directly to Journal Issue, it would remove the need for co-typing it with Published Work. But otherwise, what you suggest would work. But if we do keep the existing Journal Issue model (as opposed to the CVT version under review), I'd be reluctant to undermine the existing Published Work/Publication model by creating a special type that used a different method of publication. (I realize that I'm already proposing this with the CVT model, and I do recognize the inconsistency; I guess my argument is that if the needs of modeling Journal Articles are significantly different from other types of publications the different model is justified, but if it's just a question of copying the current model onto different types, I'm not sure that it is justified.)

Publishing: Possible revision for Journal Articles

2008-09-04T18:09:52.0012Z

La rondine by Giacomo Puccini - Third version completed by Lorenzo Ferrero: Split

2008-09-04T17:59:17.0012Z

The opera itself is not the same thing as a production of the opera, and so they really shouldn't share the same topic. I note that you've already added several other productions of this opera as separate topics -- why do you want this one production to be treated differently?

La rondine by Giacomo Puccini - Third version completed by Lorenzo Ferrero: Split

2008-09-04T08:46:12.0012Z

Jeff, please don't split it !! One would never be able to find the pieces again. It is better to have everything at a glance. I beg you not to touch it, this is a big, complicated thing with many productions, which took 2 months to compile

Help: Storie di neve

2008-09-04T05:59:01.0012Z

Thank you. It is incredible that someone would want to delete them!

I am jolly glad that they are not on the delete list.

cheunger: Storie di neve

2008-09-04T05:59:01.0012Z

Thank you. It is incredible that someone would want to delete them!

I am jolly glad that they are not on the delete list.

Help: Storie di neve

2008-09-04T05:33:55.0012Z

Chris already diagnosed and remedied the problem before I even had a chance to read this post - he's that good. I am checking on Munich and Paris - they have been flagged, but I don't see them in topics for voting. I'll keep you posted on their status.

cheunger: Storie di neve

2008-09-04T05:33:55.0012Z

Philosophy: some thoughts on new philosophy types

2008-09-04T05:24:42.0017Z

I'm all for creating good philosophy types but we need to avoid duplicating types that already exist.

-Philosopher already exists as a career type.

-How does your type philosophical subject differ making a topic as a sub-discipline of philosophy using the subdiscipline property of the feild of study type? (the sub-discipline property is new).

-philosophical movement seems to duplicate some parts of feild of study and some parts of influence node.

I'll think some more about this. Right now I'm working on my statement builder which allows logical modelling of statements. I'll make that domain public soon once it's in better shape.

Publishing: Possible revision for Journal Articles

2008-09-04T04:37:43.0012Z

You could make a Journal Article type that includes the published work type. then make the contents of the Journal Issue type link to Journal article. That way any new objects that get linked to from a Journal Issue will automatically be created as Journal Article types. So users won't have to manually add the Journal Article type. The problem is that all existing articles that are presently of the published work type would have to be migrated over to being of the journal article type.

Publishing: Possible revision for Journal Articles

2008-09-04T04:37:43.0012Z

Help: Storie di neve

2008-09-04T04:25:56.0012Z

Thank you all.

I would like to add that I never write randomly. Bryan helped me the other day with an enormous problem I had in a matter of seconds!! I thought he was a bug expert and that's why I wrote to him directly.

Bryan, let us hope we save Munich and PARIS as well...

cheunger: Storie di neve

2008-09-04T04:25:56.0012Z

Thank you all.

Bryan, let us hope we save Munich and PARIS as well...

Ship: Owner

2008-09-04T03:59:43.0018Z

How do we put in the Owner of a ship?

Ship: Owner

2008-09-04T03:59:43.0018Z

How do we put in the Owner of a ship?

Diomedes ARB-11: looking for crew

2008-09-04T02:18:03.0017Z

my father, george "pat" Patterson served on the Diomedes and I have a number of phots of the ship and crew. I would be interested in talking with any members of the crew. george M patterson II

William Henry Leonard Poe: Merge with Wikipedia article

2008-09-04T00:29:51.0017Z

Hi, there was no Wikipedia article on this person when I created the topic in Freebase. Now that there is one imported from WP, let's merge the two.

iubookgirl's types: Academic Library

2008-09-03T23:03:22.0012Z

I'd like to move this type to the top level /library domain and add the institution affiliation property Jamie suggested. Any objections?

La rondine by Giacomo Puccini - Third version completed by Lorenzo Ferrero: Split

2008-09-03T22:23:57.0017Z

The opera itself should be split into a separate topic from the production of the opera.

Publishing: Possible revision for Journal Articles

2008-09-03T22:07:06.0012Z

At that point, Journal Article would be nothing more that what we sometimes call a "bucket" -- a type that has no properties, and is therefore just a place to collect things that can be said to be of that type. There are a number of these here and there, but we try to avoid them as much as possible. In order for it to be useful, users would have to remember to add it themselves to each topic that is published in a journal; we're already asking users to manually add a lot of types in the publishing domain, just to use the basic functionality, and I have doubts about how much this type would ever be used.

I can't think of a way, through the UI, to filter out only those works that were published in Journal Issues. How often do you think people would be looking for journal issues but not other types of academic or scholarly papers?

Publishing: Possible revision for Journal Articles

2008-09-03T22:07:06.0012Z

Philosophy: Philosophical idea

2008-09-03T21:23:10.0012Z

Hi Avi -- thanks for getting involved in this domain. I haven't touched it for months, but you've inspired me to start expanding it out.

I'm not sure if Philosophical Problem is a useful distinction to maintain. Are there any properties it might have that wouldn't apply to Ideas in general? Or is a Problem the same as a Debate or Argument?

Philosophy: Philosophical idea

2008-09-03T21:13:39.0017Z

I created a type Philosophical Problem, do you think this is redundant given philosophical idea? Also, why don't you add a property to philosophical idea linking it to a feild of study. Most of the philosophy subdiciplines have are available as feilds of study. That way you could lable, for example, the chinese room, as relevant to philosophy of mind.

Publishing: Possible revision for Journal Articles

2008-09-03T21:10:00.0012Z

Okay, let me see if I understand. Currently, you can enter the journal article in the contents of a journal issue where it links in as a publication. And in published work type, there is the "published in" property which gets filled in with the journal issue. So there is no specific Journal Article type because there doesn't need to be one separate from publication. Sorry about the confusion.

So now I'm having trouble figuring out what to do if you want to search for only journal articles? I start by searching for published work, but when I try to filter it by the "published in property", it wants me to put in the name of a specific publication, it doesn't accept the type Journal Issue. I suppose that the sandbox version would solve this problem, but at the expense of not being able to record issue level information. It might still be more user friendly to have a journal article type under the current system even if the journal article type has no extra properties above and beyond published work. It would simply allow for distinguishing journal articles from other publications at a glance.

Publishing: Possible revision for Journal Articles

2008-09-03T21:10:00.0012Z

Help: Storie di neve

2008-09-03T19:50:47.0012Z

This was by design in the old age of primitive conservation. I have made /common/topic an included type of /music/composition, and am running a script to garden existing instances.

cheunger: Storie di neve

2008-09-03T19:50:47.0012Z

This was by design in the old age of primitive conservation. I have made /common/topic an included type of /music/composition, and am running a script to garden existing instances.

Publishing: Possible revision for Journal Articles

2008-09-03T19:17:23.0012Z

The issue isn't about having both an article type and an issue type -- we already have those (see the help topic Entering Scholarly Works and Citations for an explanation of the current model). The issue is how to best represent the publication information of an article -- whether by omitting the issue type entirlely, and just using a CVT to capture the basic bibliographic information, like you would see in a bibliography (or bibtex or similar format), or whether to have an explicit topic for every journal article.

There is not, alas, a way to display the information in chained links. You can display disambiguating properties from the expected type of a property only. So in the sandbox version, the volume, issue, etc. are properties on the Journal Publication type, and so can be displayed on the article and journal types the connect to it. But the way we otherwise handle publications is by using the "published work" and "publication" types, which have to be set as co-types on the article and issue. Because the expected type is not explicitly "journal issue", properties on "journal issue" are not displayed on the article or journal.

Let me know if this doesn't make sense.

Publishing: Possible revision for Journal Articles

2008-09-03T19:17:23.0012Z

Let me know if this doesn't make sense.

Help: Storie di neve

2008-09-03T17:56:41.0012Z

Chris -- the type /music/composition does not have /common/topic as an included type. I have no idea how this happened, but I have seen one or two other types where topic was missing.

cheunger: Storie di neve

2008-09-03T17:56:41.0012Z

Chris -- the type /music/composition does not have /common/topic as an included type. I have no idea how this happened, but I have seen one or two other types where topic was missing.

Organization member: Grade of Membership?

2008-09-03T17:28:53.0012Z

I'm assuming that this membership grade would also handle the officers of an organization, e.g, AAAI, IEEE. These folks usually have other full time jobs, so listing a guy like this with these orgs as employers just to have his title entered doesn't seem right. Or perhaps, we should add another property called title to /organization/organization_member?

John A White serves as the Vice President of Malcolm Baldridge National Quality Award Foundation.

He also served as the President of the American Institute of Industrial Engineers.