Freebase: Discussion about Topic

Laupheim Jewish Community: I'm confused

2009-11-12T11:15:13.0045Z

In general, I think the community decision is that we should delete topics like "History of X" and the like: it's better to link (for example) a book about the history of Microsoft to both the "history" and "Microsoft" topics rather than just to a "history of Microsoft" topic. That makes it much easier to search for all books about Microsoft, and you can still search for books about the history of Microsoft by requiring that both terms be present.

Law review: Field of study?

2009-11-12T10:36:41.0064Z

This doesn't right to me. Isn't "law" the field of study and "law review" an alternate name for journals in that field of study?

Laupheim Jewish Community: I'm confused

2009-11-12T10:04:54.0021Z

I agree with you that the history of sth. is not the same as the thing itself. I just rename 2 or three “history of the jews in” topics to keep the topic, because the were marked for deletion. (In general I think it is better to keep most of these “sth. of” topics, because they are at least subject of books, study fields etc.). I agree with you also the in the second point. What do you would like recommend to do with the Jewish Community topics?

Frank

Shakti Samanta: Super Star Rajesh Khanna & Shakthi Samantha

2009-11-12T05:31:17.0017Z

**Shakti Samanta, who made superhit movies for Super Star Rajesh Khanna who expired on Thursday ( 09-04-2009) after a brief illness. He was 83 and is survived by wife, two sons and two grandsons.

“He passed away at around 5 pm on 9-4-2009 at his suburban Santacruz residence. He was recovering from a stroke which he suffered over two months ago,” a family member told reporters.

“Samanta was discharged two weeks ago from Jaslok Hospital where he was treated for two months. He was slightly paralysed and was recovering slowly,” Ashim Samanta, son of the filmmaker, told reporters.

“However, his health deteriorated today,” said Ashim, also a film director.

Samanta’s funeral would be held at Santacruz crematorium at 11 am on 10-4-2009.

The Shakthi Samanta-Super Star Rajesh Khanna pair was responsible for some of Bollywood’s memorable classics like Aradhana – 1969, Kati Patang – 1970, Amar Prem – 1971, Anuraag – 1972, Ajanabee – 1974, Mehbooba – 1976, Anurodh – 1977, Ayash – 1982, Awaaz – 1984, Alag Alag – 1985 & Dushman – 1990. All movies with Super Star Rajesh Khanna is super hit for ever.

Samanta, a former president of Indian Motion Pictures Association of India (IMPAA), directed 43 feature films, including 37 Hindi and 6 Bengali films.

Samantha was never cheap. There is something to be said for a filmmaker who helmed movies which in many ways defined the core character of Hindi cinema in the 1960s and 70s. Apart from everything else Samantha will be remembered for creating all of Super Star Rajesh Khanna’s films Super Hit from Aradhana to Dushman which were all super hit.Quite easily one of the last giant names of that period, Samatha’s passing ought to mean a great loss for bollywood cinema.

Shakti Samanta directed his first feature film, ‘Bahu’ in 1954. After the success of his next few films like ‘Inspector’ (1956), ‘Sheroo’ (1956), ‘Detective’ (1957), Samanta started his own film production house.

Apart from his movies, the director is remembered for introducing actress Sharmila Tagore in Kashmir Ki Kali , who went on to form a legendary pair with Samanta’s blue-eyed boy Super Star Rajesh Khanna.**

General Support: First Super Star of Indian Cinema

2009-11-12T04:16:57.0049Z

1) Raj Kapoor 2) Dilip Kumar 3) Dev Anand 3) Sunil Dutt 4) Shammi Kapoor 5) Raaj Kumar 6) Sanjeev Kumar 8) Dharmendra 10) Jetendra 11) Amitabh Bachchan 12) Shah Rukh Khan 13) Rajendra Kumar 14) Manoj Kumar 13) Rajesh Khanna

Laupheim Jewish Community: I'm confused

2009-11-11T23:08:58.0025Z

OK, I think there are two issues here -- one is whether it's correct to repurpose "History of Jews in X" for "X Jewish Community" topics, and the other is how to model Jewish communities.

I agree with Tom that "History" topics really aren't the same -- the history of the Jews of a place is necessarily different than the religious organization that comprises or serves the Jews of that place, since communities (I'm assuming that this is similar or the same as a kehilla) might split or merge as the population changes, etc. The Jewish Community of Berlin, for example, was formed in 1671, several centuries after the first Jews arrived in Berlin. The other thing here, too, is that the WP keys will remain, and may be used by various entities for reconciliation, which might cause for some unwanted behavior (if someone was trying to assert "History of Jews in Berlin" as a book subject, say, based on a link in a Wikipedia article, but ended up with "Jewish Community of Berlin" instead because we repurposed the topic).
In general, a jurisdiction and an organization can't be the same thing. We talked about this when we created the Religious Jurisdiction type here, in which we determined that the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Francisco (a location that covers a fair chunk of California) and the organization which oversees operations within the diocese should be separate.

Standard Occupational Classification System: data.gov

2009-11-11T20:34:13.0029Z

I think the O*Net data corresponds more closely to Profession than to Job Title -- people doing more or less the same job can often have very different titles, based on the conventions of their employer.

The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference: Merger or Translation

2009-11-11T20:13:23.0009Z

There should (or at least could, if someone wants to make it) be a Translation topic called "Der Tipping Point. Wie kleine Dinge Großes bewirken können", but the instance of /publishing/book Der Tipping Point. Wie kleine Dinge Großes bewirken können isn't it -- it has a key associated with it that is properly on a Book topic, and once the Open Library book editions load is done, it will presumably also have editions, which definitely need to be linked to the The Tipping Point Book topic. One could split all the data over to the English topic, but at that point, it's much easier to just create a new Translation.

The Wachowski brothers: Brother Co-directors

2009-11-11T18:44:23.0019Z

This clearly shouldn't be a Person, but I'd hate to see it go away altogether because the Wachoski Bros are a well known entity. It should be typed as some kind of Group or Set which includes the two people.

The suggestion on the data modeling list was to type things like this using List, but that has the unfortunate side effect of causes references to redirect to the communist (err, Socialist) domain and there's no indication of when that bug will be fixed.

Malyshev Factory: Split

2009-11-11T15:45:45.0041Z

This is a conflated topic.

It has types for 3 different semantic entitites:

the (state owned) company.
the building, structure & location.
the work/production carried out in the building - i.e. the business location type.

These should ideally be split out to three different topics.

The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference: Merger or Translation

2009-11-11T12:41:48.0013Z

I do not know too much about the Book schema atm, but could The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference vs Der Tipping Point. Wie kleine Dinge Großes bewirken können be two different topics, Der Tipping Point. Wie kleine Dinge Großes bewirken können being a translation?

Laupheim Jewish Community: I'm confused

2009-11-11T09:45:41.0030Z

Hi,

I think I understand what your are meaning. Maybe it makes more sense for you to type Jewish Communities as religious jurisdictions? (I think, you can type them as both “organization” and “jurisdiction”, but I also agree that this might confuse. I already gave the example of the Jewish Community in Berlin http://www.jg-berlin.org/en/about-us/organisational-structure.html) Is there a possible to change the type from religious organization to jurisdicticion by using an app?

Real Myst: Why delete?

2009-11-11T08:57:40.0029Z

VT, you should be able to unflag this topic for deletion in the page history, as a staff member you should see revert buttons, search for the adding of the deletion flag operation and select revert.

Anurag Kashyap: Move Netflix key and delete

2009-11-11T08:52:47.0021Z

Offending key removed and placed upon the correct topic, let's delete this sucker...

Laupheim Jewish Community: I'm confused

2009-11-11T07:32:49.0010Z

[adding Frank so he sees this thread]

I don't think repurposing topics in this way is a good idea. It's one thing if the Wikipedia definition gradually drifts and Freebase follows along, but to take an existing topic about one thing and use it for something entirely different will just cause confusion.

If a community topic is needed, it shouled be created separately. I also don't understand the typing with Religious Organization. I would have thought that that applied to the rabbis and their heirarchy, not a collection of townfolk who go to a particular temple (or all temples).

Standard Occupational Classification System: data.gov

2009-11-11T00:41:30.0059Z

OK, so this is related to a previous discussion post on Standard Occupational Classification System. The taxonomy itself isn't really of much interest. It's just a list of numbers and associated job classifications (although the numbers imply a grouping of similar types of jobs). It's not going to help you train people for new and emerging occupations like Chief Sustainability Officer (11-1011.03) or Green Marketer (11-2011.01). If you need the number for cross referencing to something else, you could define a schema that includes it which extends the Job Title type (or some other appropriate type) to include the needed information. You could use the job lists to help identify Freebase topics which are not correctly typed yet (as I just did with Chief Sustainability Officer).

There is a Tools and Technologies file which might provide a starting point, although the first few lines aren't very encouraging. It says, for example, that a Chief Executive Officer needs to not only be able to use a 10-key calculator and desktop computer, but also a laptop computer, USB flash drive, and smartphone. In addition to those tools, they'll need familiarity with such technologies as email software, a web browser, and Powerpoint, Hopefully some of the other occupations have more useful information for you to work with.

Oops, just noticed that this data may not have a compatible license. You can probably get it fixed since U.S. Government data is supposed to be public domain, but it'll mean working with their lawyers (ick!). If you look at http://www.onetcenter.org/agree/database, it says no license is required, then goes on to lay out the terms of their license (huh?), including an advertising requirement saying that you need to use their "O*NET In It" mark. This requirement isn't compatible with Freebase's Terms of Service or licensing.

I don't have any direct interest in this stuff, but I'd be happy to help with schema review, data loading questions, etc.

Laupheim Jewish Community: I'm confused

2009-11-10T01:03:46.0048Z

I'm not quite sure what to make of this topic. It was originally a Wikipedia topic called "History of the Jews in Laupheim" (which article is still in Wikipedia under that name), but has been renamed, and typed as an Organization. I guess there are two issues here. One is whether repurposing an article imported from Wikipedia such as a "History of X" or "Economy of X", etc. into a topic about the "X" part of the name is desirable, or whether new topics should be created. The other is whether this topic makes sense as a Religious Organization/Organization, which I'm not sure about.

Real Myst: Why delete?

2009-11-09T23:33:23.0013Z

Whoops, that wasn't right, thanks for catching me. I'll try to unflag it.

Anurag Kashyap: Move Netflix key and delete

2009-11-09T20:51:49.0054Z

This is a Wikipedia disambiguation page. It should be deleted after the Netflix key is moved over to the correct topic.

Standard Occupational Classification System: data.gov

2009-11-09T17:46:31.0040Z

I'm especially interested in the data coming out of Department of Labor. I'm trying to match up their occupation classifications with job descriptions and competencies. Then I want to build a data set of serious games and match them with the occupations and competencies.

I would like to bring other national/regional occupation data into the database as well.

Ideas? Help?

Standard Occupational Classification System: data.gov

2009-11-09T17:45:52.0046Z

I would like to bring other national/regional occupation data into the database as well.

Ideas? Help?

Standard Occupational Classification System: data.gov

2009-11-09T17:45:16.0029Z

I would like to bring other national/regional occupation data into the database as well.

Ideas? Help?

Real Myst: Why delete?

2009-11-07T09:28:04.0031Z

Why was this flagged for deletion? To me, it seems like this is a valid video game. See Wikipedia on the original Myst and the realMYST website

Standard Occupational Classification System: data.gov

2009-11-06T01:55:23.0013Z

Some of the data is already being used like census data, HUD foreclosure data, GNIS data, etc. A lot of that stuff was on the 'net before data.gov came around. It's just centralizing the cataloging (and prodding the laggards).

Was there a particular data set that you were interested in which is missing? Usually it's people's specific needs that drive loading of the data.

Standard Occupational Classification System: data.gov

2009-11-05T19:59:40.0005Z

do you have plans to use data.gov as a source? Please.

Anne Derryberry (imserious)