Education

Educational Institution: Field for founder?

2008-07-03T22:55:31.0005Z

We have a field for the date of foundation, but there isn't one for the founder. e.g. Sir George Downing for Downing College

Would this be a useful addition?

Fraternity/Sorority: Lack of data about society members

2008-06-12T07:20:36.0007Z

James, fraternities and other clubs are modeled as instances of Organization. Take a look at St. Anthony Hall, which I’ve done some work on, populating its membership. Any student organization (with the exception of sports teams) should be modeled this way.

Fraternity/Sorority: Lack of data about society members

2008-06-12T06:46:55.0005Z

Without knowing who has been members of these organizations, this isn't as useful as it could be. Perhaps something like "Clubs and Societies" could be an addition to the Education field of the Person type?

Educational Institution: Parent institution

2008-06-12T02:48:37.0000Z

We here at Metaweb have a triumvirate of precognitives working around the clock to stay one step ahead of schema refactorings like this!

Educational Institution: Parent institution

2008-06-12T02:23:28.0007Z

Good thing I pointed it out today or he wouldn't have posted that two days ago! I actually stumbled onto this type when researching the structure of some teaching related schema seemingly out of the blue. His post must have influenced me. Maybe I should start wearing a foil beanie...

Educational Institution: Parent institution

2008-06-12T00:06:15.0008Z

The "parent institution" thing is a known bug -- Bryan's actually in the process of fixing it. See his post on the developers mailing list. Renaming the faculty property is a good idea.

Educational Institution: Parent institution

2008-06-11T21:32:48.0005Z

Why does the "Parent institution" property of this type point to College/university if this type can be used to describe primary and secondary institutions? Shouldn't it point back to itself and have a linked in property of "Subsidiary institution"?

Another suggestion is that "Faculty" (dated integer) should be renamed to "Number of faculty".

Literature: Merge with the other "Literature" instance

2008-06-10T09:29:54.0012Z

Duplicate of Literature. Merge please.

Catamount: duplicate

2008-06-09T18:51:44.0005Z

of catamount. I think we use the singular version for mascots.

Educational Institution: Property for school sports teams?

2008-05-19T21:01:10.0000Z

We just added a type for this: School sports team. It's a little underpopulated now, so please feel free to stick in some teams!

School: School Grade Level or type

2008-05-07T05:04:05.0012Z

Looks like there is already a type called College/University which is exactly what I'm looking for. Sorry.

School: School Grade Level or type

2008-05-07T04:58:24.0000Z

I would agree that the primary/secondary/postsecondary is, at best, a US based thing. Though I don't know that 12th grade is a signifier of the end of high school worldwide either.

Would it be appropriate to add a flag for "Higher Education" as defined here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education

My goal is to be able to separate higher education institutions from other schools and currently it is very dificult to do.

Monterey: please split

2008-05-06T22:37:52.0023Z

into a citytown and school_district

School: School Grade Level or type

2008-05-06T02:38:21.0000Z

The School instances have lowest and highest grade properties; are these insufficient? The breakdown you list does not generalize well to other countries or even to variant US schools, so unless there’s a compelling reason, I would hesitate to impose this breakdown.

School: School Grade Level or type

2008-05-06T01:04:21.0005Z

Is there a way to signify the following types:

Primary school (USA is K - 8)

Secondary school (USA is 9-12)

Postsecondary school (USA is all above 12)

Bloomfield: Split into a town and a school district

2008-04-28T17:41:31.0012Z

(Bloomfield School District)

Educational Institution: Property for school sports teams?

2008-04-25T23:13:56.0012Z

Hi, I suggest adding a "Sports Teams" property to Eductional Institution. This would allow users looking at Indiana University, for example, to see a link to the Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball team.

Dissertation: Writing, Surviving, and Finishing Dissertations

2008-04-25T17:52:50.0000Z

Not sure what advice you want; just post it again wherever you initially meant to. (Perhaps on the Dissertation topic, which is actually called Thesis?) BTW, you can add links to posts; no need to just list the URL in text.

Dissertation: Writing, Surviving, and Finishing Dissertations

2008-04-25T15:53:43.0007Z

But I posted that in the wrong place! Please advise, thanks, jf

Dissertation: Writing, Surviving, and Finishing Dissertations

2008-04-25T15:52:37.0012Z

There's life after your dissertation, even if that's hard to believe. Writing's as much manual labor as mental, as much about rituals of time and space and resonance as about methods, and about knowing that our fingers can lead our minds to new places, fresh ideas and implications. But dissertations are often hell, a kind of writing you'll never do again: they're lonelier experiences, riskier, longer and slower pushes uphill than most other writing you'll ever do. At least that's some of what's in the essay, "Notes on Academic Writing," that I wrote years ago to avoid writing a conference paper—and I've found that this essay has had an underground existence ever since, being passed along from one dissertation writer to another delighted to see that someone else was as miserable as they were and went on, nevertheless, to publish a good deal of material and not perish after all. That essay can be found at: http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/jff1/learningacadwrtg.htm

Still, I do wish someone had shown me John Trimble's wonderful Writing with Style!

The Connection Machine: Split it.

2008-04-24T21:07:05.0012Z

Danny Hillis is a gifted scientist, but he did not create a musical artist as his thesis.

College/University: IPEDS ID and OPE ID

2008-04-23T14:49:51.0000Z

Thanks for the information, enlil. I will pass this post on to the data team.

College/University: IPEDS ID and OPE ID

2008-04-23T01:51:26.0005Z

I was looking at http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/ and was noticing that the Colleges in their college navigator contain IPEDS IDs (Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System) and OPE IDs ( http://www.ed.gov/offices/OSFAP/fsacoach/glossary/ope-id.html ). I am under the assumption that this information can be gleaned from the http://www.nces.ed.gov/ .

Panther: School mascot

2008-04-17T22:53:15.0007Z

That reminds me, the Yankees at one point had a mascot named "Dandy", from the song "Yankee Doodle Dandy".

As for the general idea of using songs and poems...I second it! The Love Songs of J. Alfred Prufrock vs. The Roads Not Taken! Do Not Go Gentle into that Good Night vs. When I Have Fears that I May Cease to Be! The victories would be profound. Best of all, post-game riots would be replaced by intense debates on literary symbolism. :)

Panther: School mascot

2008-04-14T19:28:40.0007Z

I think the real problem here is that this topic is not about the animal, but rather a musical adaptation of a Rilke poem. But wouldn't it be delightful if schools did adopt musical compositions or poems as their mascots? Imagine the rivalries! The Drunkboats vs. the Tintern Abbies! The Odes to Joy vs. the Messiahs! and the cheers would practically write themselves.

(Come to think of it, Baltimore has already started the trend. Go Ravens!)

Panther: School mascot

2008-04-14T18:41:37.0007Z

I agree -- a mascot is more than just the type of animal/object; it's a specific instance of it. It wouldn't be correct to say that UC Berkeley's school mascot is the bear -- it's Oski the Bear.

Each of the schools listed to have a panther as their school mascot ought to have a topic each for their own panther with its image, description, history, etc.

Panther: School mascot

2008-04-14T07:26:00.0005Z

I'm pretty sure that this topic should not be listed as a school mascot.

Dissertation: Fields of study aren't dissertations

2008-04-11T19:20:55.0019Z

We should probably take a closer look at the property names of the very complex education CVT. Users see that someone has a Ph.D. with a dissertation on Chemistry, and so they enter the dissertation as Chemistry, rather than Chemistry being the field or major, and Interactions of nonorganic sulfur with dihydrogen monoxide or what have you for the dissertation.

Dissertation: Fields of study aren't dissertations

2008-04-11T19:16:45.0005Z

... are they? How come "Chemistry" and the like are typed as dissertation?

Educational Institution: For our data/geolocation/graphical mapping efforts...School district properties?

2008-04-10T23:02:27.0007Z

We have some of that -- school address, schools in the district -- already (see type School district). Area et al. are a good idea; we could do this just by co-typing school districts as locations. I think we should be able to get enrollment numbers pretty easily -- there's a database with that information kicking around somewhere. I think any of these values would be good additions, but I do think I'd like to wait to see what kind of data is freely available before adding properties. These folks are obviously getting it from somewhere, though, so it's surely out there.

I'll add "location" as an included type now.

(Your home school district seems to have an alarming problem with decling enrollment, I can't help but notice.)

Educational Institution: For our data/geolocation/graphical mapping efforts...School district properties?

2008-04-10T21:40:09.0000Z

Well, it would be interesting to find the actual school enrollment area (where the child is eligible to go to that school by geocode info as drawn on a map by freebase).

See a visual representation of the school district in the same manner as above.

What school district is the school a part of? School district address/basic info?

Basic census data?

District Statistics

School Information
Number of Schools: 10
Number of Students: 5,952
Number of Teachers: 262
Number of Males: 2,988
Number of Females: 2,918
Area: 252.7 square miles

Number of Students Per Grade

1st Grade

2nd Grade

3rd Grade

4th Grade

5th Grade

6th Grade

7th Grade

8th Grade

9th Grade

10th Grade

11th Grade

12th Grade

926

988

1,048

1,016

947

738

Numbers of Students

Educational Institution: For our data/geolocation/graphical mapping efforts...School district properties?

2008-04-10T19:53:36.0000Z

We have some basic properties for school districts. We could add lots more, of course, but short of a viable data-source, most of them will probably sit empty. What properties would you suggest.

Educational Institution: For our data/geolocation/graphical mapping efforts...School district properties?

2008-04-10T19:27:28.0012Z

State of California has school districts, I assume all (if not most) US States organize their public grade-schools into districts.

Here's my home school district info in a nice neat location (unfortunately 'all rights reserved' for this supposedly public data...I guess it must be stored elsewhere in a more generously licensed manner)

Juilliard School: this seems like a common misspeeling of Juilliard...

2008-03-31T08:20:52.0012Z

should be merged.

Yale University: yale college and yale university?

2008-03-27T22:13:29.0017Z

Or, I suppose you could argue that everyone should be linked to the University itself, but I think that's less useful in the long run (if I'm interested in directors who went to the Yale School of Drama, I'd rather query that than to have to filter Yale Univ. grads by degree [MFA] and field of study [directing, drama, acting, etc.]).

Yale University: yale college and yale university?

2008-03-27T22:10:34.0022Z

It does complicate queries, it's true. Ideally everyone would be linked to the school they graduated from. That said, it's useful to be able to say that someone graduated from Yale University, even if you don't know which school they attended.

Yale University: yale college and yale university?

2008-03-27T21:26:57.0012Z

This is the case, although it complicates queries. Also, many alumni are linked to the university even though they attended Yale College.

Software Engineering: Why delete?

2008-03-26T14:59:39.0012Z

Unsure of why this is marked for delete, but if someone has a reason, please post it.

Geographic Information System: GIS as profession?

2008-03-26T14:01:14.0000Z

I agree.

Maybe it could renamed to something like 'profession area'

College/University: Tuition

2008-03-26T04:23:50.0000Z

I like this idea. Tuition is an imporant bit of information!

Yale University: yale college and yale university?

2008-02-14T23:16:00.0007Z

As near as I can tell, Yale College is the undergraduate college of Yale University, and should therefore be made a constituent school of Yale, along with Yale Law School, Yale School of Drama, etc., which I've now done.

Yale University: yale college and yale university?

2008-02-14T21:56:01.0012Z

shouldn't these two be merged?

-chris

Geographic Information System: GIS as profession?

2007-12-14T20:12:20.0012Z

Can a profession really be a system? Wouldn't GIS analyst and GIS programmer and GIS developer be better profession names?

Education: University Systems?

2007-10-18T22:35:01.0007Z

I think either approach would work well. A lot of educational institutions have components ("campuses," "schools," or "departments"), so it seems reasonable to me to support this in the most generic fashion.

Education: University Systems?

2007-10-16T21:55:56.0007Z

If we fixed "educational institution" so that it had both parent and subsidiary institutions, would that fix the problem? Or do you think that a university system is more distinct, and should have a separate type?

Education: University Systems?

2007-10-16T20:56:59.0012Z

University Systems (such as the University of North Carolina or University of California) don't seem to be fully supported. These are certainly not "Colleges" or "Universities." I would call them "Educational Institutions," but those don't currently permit member institutions. (Both of these are marked as "College/University" right now for this reason.)

There's a bunch of crap here. For example, a lot of people seem to be marked as students of "University of North Carolina" (which I've just renamed to "University of North Carolina System" to reduce confusion) when they probably should have been marked as students of "UNC Chapel Hill" (the school most often intended when people refer to "University of North Carolina").

Education: Type for 'eventlike' educational structures

2007-10-02T20:57:23.0000Z

Yep. I'm going to try these ideas in my domain. We'll see where I get.

Education: Type for 'eventlike' educational structures

2007-10-02T17:30:31.0007Z

That's a good question. I could imagine a type called something like "master class" or "seminar" (or something else that would encompass those ideas) for educational events, one-off classes, etc., and the education domain makes sense as a home for these sorts of things. I'm not entirely sure what properties it should have, but if you want to try to model it in your private domain, you could test out the structure there and we could migrate it the root-level education domain once it's ready.

Education: Type for 'eventlike' educational structures

2007-10-02T14:39:14.0005Z

I'm wondering where to put graduate programs or even more informal educational »institutions« that have an 'identity' but at the same time behave like events.

An example of the former: the »arts, computation, engineering« graduate program at UC Irvine (http://ace.uci.edu/)
for the latter: http://framework.v2.nl/archive/archive/node/event/default.xslt/nodenr-153980 (a master class called »Making Art of Databases« which is decidedly *not* part of any formal program, yet educational in nature).

Education: Educational Institution Datasets

2007-08-05T15:12:36.0007Z

Done.