Film

Film actor: Related question

2008-07-05T16:43:20.0000Z

I've been trying to figure out how I'd go about this, and I have looked at the TV and Broadcast domains but I'm completely confused and have absolutely no idea how to start. But thank you for the reply!

Film actor: Related question

2008-07-05T09:08:53.0000Z

There is no existing type for Performance as a character in a radio broadcast as of yet.

Radio (at this time) is a very rudimentary domain that holds great promise for those wishing to model from its existing skeletal structure. There are great examples in the current TV and Film domains to use as inpiration or templates for new types to capture episodes, performances, characters, personal appearances etc.

You can always consider drafting up your own Radio Performance, Radio Performer, Radio Episode, Radio Show/Series, etc.

Film actor: Related question

2008-07-05T02:16:25.0005Z

What type should I use for a radio actor? i.e. someone who voices a part in a radio drama?

Film: Add Box Office property to the Film type?

2008-07-03T08:32:15.0012Z

Yeah, that makes sense. So, Worldwide Box Office, and Local Box Office.

Film: Add Box Office property to the Film type?

2008-06-30T14:26:31.0012Z

How about adding box office for the country of ORIGIN and world wide? For example, a german movie doesn't often even get to US theatres, their box office would therefor not be very interesting while the german would...

Film: Extra feature for "Performances"?

2008-06-30T14:23:54.0012Z

Yes, I know I can specify the occupation there. But this doesn't completely answer my idea.

1. It would be nice to have the occupation on the moviesite too, next to the characters name as sometimes this is needed for knowing who this character is. Like finding out that Star X played the doc in the movie as "Mr Y" might not help you that easy.

2.t would be useful to view any titles of the person in a seperat column. Else the Characters ar created as "Dr. Jed Hill" instead of "Jed Hill" with "Dr." in another viewed column.

Filming location: Set In vs. Where Filmed

2008-06-07T00:04:25.0007Z

Adding the type Work of Fiction to a film will get you the "settings" property.

Filming location: Set In vs. Where Filmed

2008-06-06T22:21:32.0007Z

This could be in the notes property (see below).

Filming location: I think adding a notes property for this...What say you?

2008-06-06T22:20:53.0005Z

It would allow a brief description of scenes filmed there or activities/history of note. Like say: Hurricane Gordo forced a 6 months delay while sets were rebuilt; Sets buried in desert at end of production; Library scenes filmed on the campus. etc.

Film: Extra feature for "Performances"?

2008-06-05T16:29:19.0000Z

Johann, characters definitely do have occupations and you can certainly fill them out. There’s just a limit to how much information about the character is visible from the actor or film, especially since the same character may be played by multiple actors and appear in multiple works of fiction across multiple media. Just fill out the character’s name from the performance, then go visit it and flesh it out with occupation, gender, place of birth, and anything else you want to add.

Film: Extra feature for "Performances"?

2008-06-05T13:52:58.0005Z

I think it would be useful to have the possibility to not only be able to write the actor and its character, but also it's charakters occupation. See http://freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f80000000006dce3e for an example:

One shouldn't remove the "attorney" or "nurse", as it is necessary (or at least helpful) information tofind the character in the movie - but itwould be nicer to only have the name for the role's site.

Sorry for being so unclear, I'm not good at english... let me try once more:

If I click on the character of Alex Baldwin this will lead me to the article "Dr. Jed Hill", better would be do have the doctor (or attorney for others) in an extra box and the link therefor linking to "Jed Hill" (or "Dennis Riley" instead of "Attorney Dennis Riley" - "Attorney" would then be linked to the occupation "Attorney)

I hope at least someone could follow me ;-)

Film: Exporting

2008-06-02T22:21:17.0000Z

Here's a starter query to get all the film titles currently in the system:

[
{
    "limit" : 40000,
    "name" : null,
    "type" : "/film/film"
}
]

Film: Exporting

2008-06-02T19:39:39.0007Z

We currently don't support exporting a large set of data (approximately around a 1000) via the export to csv feature. You either must use our data dump as mikelove discovered above, or write your own MQL query.

You can see what our filter view page uses by hitting F8 key to get the debug bar and clicking on the 'View transaction log' (its the client MQL query event you want).

You can use that as a starting point (hint, modify the limit or eliminate it entirely).

Film: Exporting

2008-06-02T02:45:10.0000Z

so it's been about a month now - still no solution to the export problem?

Film: Add Box Office property to the Film type?

2008-05-21T04:34:50.0007Z

I think the box office is clearer than total gross earnings, because the latter could include DVD sales, rentals, TV rights, merchandising, etc. For example, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End domestically made almost as much in DVD sales as with ticket sales: $280 M compared to $310 M.

I guess the world box office would be good, or maybe US as it's the 40% of the world movie market, rest of the world, and world (US + rest of the world). I haven't yet come across a website that breaks it down further that that.

>I would like to have a date for the earnings total so a better more accurate comparison of over a century of grosses can be done.

Do you mean you would like to have the data adjusted for inflation?

Film: Add Box Office property to the Film type?

2008-05-21T01:19:44.0000Z

I assume total gross earnings would be appropriate? I guess it could be similar to the estimated budget. I would like to have a date for the earnings total so a better more accurate comparison of over a century of grosses can be done.

Or is it that more detail is desired?

US-centric: US Domestic & Foreign
By Region: Europe, Asia, North America, South America, Africa, Oceano-Pacific, Antartica
Other?

Film: Add Box Office property to the Film type?

2008-05-18T03:21:20.0012Z

Could someone add the Box Office or Earnings property to the Film type? http://www.worldwideboxoffice.com/ can be used to get this data for major films.

Film rating: Minimum ACCOMPANIED age in theatres?

2008-05-16T12:27:26.0007Z

I don't know if this applies to other countries aswell, but it might...

It's something very special indeed, and it applies only to "FSK 12": movies that where rated "FSK 12" can get "PG" as addition. Children 6+ can then go to cinema with their parents.

This is explained inthe description of "FSK 12", but would be good to see next to "mimimum unaccompanied age"...

Film rating: Minimum ACCOMPANIED age in theatres?

2008-05-15T23:20:16.0007Z

Seems to be a rarity, I think Canada has a strange less than for adult-accompanied age restrictions

See this site for some current rating info worldwide

Film rating: Minimum ACCOMPANIED age in theatres?

2008-05-15T23:07:20.0007Z

Hi Johann -- do you know if this is more universal than just Germany? It would be useful to understand what kinds of variants there might be before extending the model.

Film rating: Minimum ACCOMPANIED age in theatres?

2008-05-15T11:44:19.0005Z

It might make sense to have the possibility for an accompanied age aswell:

e.g. in Germany children aged 6+ are allowed to go to 12+ movies in cinema with their parents, though 5 year olds don't

Film: Exporting

2008-05-08T07:18:29.0015Z

I take it back, these have guids instead of compound values.

Film: Exporting

2008-05-08T06:10:51.0040Z

I forgot about data dumps. http://download.freebase.com/datadumps/2008-03-28/browse/film/

Personal film appearance: As it is, this compound value type seems of little importance

2008-05-07T01:53:05.0007Z

Neil Patrick Harris plays himself in Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle. We could model that as him playing a fictional character named Neil Patrick Harris, who is in turn based on the actor… but “As Himself” is a well-established convention.

On the other hand, when Neil Patrick Harris is on The Tonight Show, he is making a personal appearance, not playing himself.

Personal film appearance: As it is, this compound value type seems of little importance

2008-05-07T00:18:56.0007Z

I wonder if these roles can't just be part of film performance, already it has Himself/Herself (which I am not sure if there is a good distinction between itself and the default Personal Appearance role type).

Personal film appearance: As it is, this compound value type seems of little importance

2008-05-06T23:37:20.0007Z

That is weird. I can't remember our rationale, except that it probably involved the thought that "film appearances" is either too rare a property to put on "person" or would be too confusing, and that we hadn't thought of a good co-type. The personal TV appearance type probably has a similar problem. Suggestions for resolving this would be welcome.

Personal film appearance: As it is, this compound value type seems of little importance

2008-05-06T23:17:22.0005Z

As currently designed, a Personal Film appearence doesn't appear on the person topic and only appears on the film topic (Al Gore for An Inconvenient Truth is a classic example, the only film appearance currently is for a Futurama show).

I've even at times forgotten its there when entering data (THX-1138 documentary springs to mind as a recent example I need to now correct all the acting performances to personal appearances).

Film: Exporting

2008-05-05T19:29:35.0000Z

That's a bug, all right. It's being tracked internally. I'm not award of any workarounds, short of using the API.

Film: Exporting

2008-05-02T05:03:43.0012Z

I tried to export all /film/film as a csv and got only 857 rows of data. Advice?

Film: Multiple initial release dates - is this a bug?

2008-03-17T17:23:51.0007Z

Thanks Bryan!

Film: Multiple initial release dates - is this a bug?

2008-03-17T15:03:46.0007Z

It's not expected; I'll try to track down who did the update and let them know.

Film: Film production companies, distributors and other companies

2008-03-17T05:08:52.0007Z

I added these types to the production site and I reciprocated the relationships from the company types.

Film: Multiple initial release dates - is this a bug?

2008-03-17T01:33:45.0007Z

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that the release dates would be added instead of updated. Is this expected behaviour?

Film: Multiple initial release dates - is this a bug?

2008-03-16T04:11:38.0007Z

Hmm, looks like inital release date is not restricted to one value, and if you look at the history, it looks like mw_template_bot is adding the date instead of updating.

Another good question is, what led you to check out the topic about the movie Gridlock'd!!!

Film: Multiple initial release dates - is this a bug?

2008-03-15T22:50:42.0005Z

Some /film/film instances have multiple values under "initial_release_date" property.

An example is Gridlock'd [ http://www.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000086440a ]

Usually there is a full ISO format date (e.g. 1997-01-01] and a year-only date (e.g. 1997).

Is this a bug? The dates do not appear to be tied to a release in a particular country or anything like that.

Film: Multiple initial release dates?

2008-03-15T22:48:15.0012Z

Some /film/film instances have multiple values for initial_release_date property.

Example is:

Gridlock'd [ http://www.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000000086440a ]

Is this a bug? The dates do not seem tied to e.g. a release in a particular country, and generally I have noticed that there is a full ISO date and a year-only date value.

Film: Film production companies, distributors and other companies

2008-03-12T00:06:23.0007Z

Nice. I wonder if it would make sense to create the reverse properties for the production companies, film companies, and film distributors. The reverse on production companies in particular seems like it would be useful; the others perhaps somewhat less so.

Film: Film production companies, distributors and other companies

2008-03-11T22:56:38.0005Z

I added three properties to type Film on Sandbox with several supporting types that cover:

1. Production companies -- this is a simple relationship between type Film and type Production Company.

2. Distributors -- This connects type film to type Film Distributor through a Compound Relationship Type (CRT) called Film-Film distributor relationship which includes properties for the year of distribution, the film cut type (director's, special edition) and the medium of distribution (Theatrical, VHS, DVD).

3. Other film companies -- This connects film to companies other than production companies and distrubutors (which are normally accorded a special status, so therefore singled out.) Type Film here connects to "Film Company" via a CRT called "Film-Film company relationship" which includes properties for the role or service provided by that company and which film cut type it contributed to.

Note here that I'm using a couple of new naming conventions. First, I'm suggesting the use of "CRT" for Compound Relationship Type instead of CVT or Compound value Type. This distinction will become increasingly important in the upcoming months as we bake a deeper distinction between these patterns into MQL.

Second, I've named these CRTs with a new convention that describes it as a relationship between two types. For example, "Film-Film company relationship" connects the types Film and Film company.

Here's a film topic example that includes all three ne properties filled out:

http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f80000000000665b4

You'll have to scroll down to the bottom of the Film section.

Please let me know what you think.

Film rating: Minimum unaccompanied age?

2008-03-07T22:34:03.0005Z

A "minimum accompanied age" property seems useful here, to allow for comparison between the ratings of different countries and to enable searches like "all films restricted to 13-year-olds and older in any country".

Film rating: Minimum unaccompanied age?

2008-03-07T22:29:25.0012Z

Should we add a property along the lines of "minimum unaccompanied age" to make it easier to see equivalence (or lack thereof) between the ratings of different countries? That would make searches like "all films that got a 13-and-up rating in any jurisdiction" possible.

Film: Created a new type (at my significant other's bequest) for Costume Design

2007-09-25T22:31:59.0012Z

Costume Design as a trade is quite distinct from Theatrical Costume Design in areas of responsibility (gentle hint to those responsible for the Theater domain)

All to find a niche for the inestimable Edith Head.

Film: When an actor plays himself...interesting edge case

2007-08-24T23:04:22.0000Z

Actually we are looking at designs for the topic view that will hopefully make it clearer which property comes from which schema. Won't solve all the problems you mention here, but should help.

Film: When an actor plays himself...interesting edge case

2007-08-24T01:51:12.0012Z

When an actor plays himself in a film, the performance entry triggers the actor topic to be co-typed as:
- Film character
- Fictional character
- Film actor
- Person
OK, a little strange, but understandably so.

But the explosion of parallel and confusing properties that then appears on the actor's page becomes rather difficult to navigate:
- Gender, Place of Birth, Parents, Children, Siblings, Quotations, all appear twice (Person, Fictional Character)
- Married To (Fictional Character) vs. Spouse(s) (Person)
- Profession (Person) vs. Occupation (Fictional Character)
- Employment History (Person) vs. Employers (Fictional Character)

What amuses me is that the Person type has an Education property missing from Fictional Character, while Fictional Character has Powers or Abilities that we didn't give to Person. There are additional properties unique to each type.

This is an extreme case, but one problem is that it's hard to figure out which property belong to which type. Perhaps the actor himself is married with kids but plays a single version of himself on screen. And if he happens to have a brilliant line in the film (Quotation property), credit should be given to the writer as well. Perhaps a UI feature to indiate/group properties by type?

Another problem is duplicate properties (that belong to the same universe) that result from co-typing. But I guess the solution to that is at the schema level rather than any UI feature.

Film: Film List

2007-08-13T04:08:55.0000Z

Great. It would be nice to view the numbering along with the value since a movie's ranking is of value.

Film: So when is film format going to be made available for films?

2007-08-13T01:03:52.0000Z

I added a property for film format. Have fun!

Film: Film List

2007-08-12T16:12:08.0000Z

Ordered lists are possible, although the freebase UI currently doesn't show the number. See this help topic:

http://www.freebase.com/view/helptopic?id=%239202a8c04000641f8000000003c1b1cc

Once you set the ordering, they will be ordered by default in any application that uses the collections.

Film: Film List

2007-08-08T01:50:50.0004Z

I wanted list the movies to AFI's Top 100 for the last 100 years. However, I need an extension to the Film Collection type. Ideally, Film List would extend Film Collection as an enumerated collection of films with a specific order. I need to state #1 is Citizen Kane for example.

Film: So when is film format going to be made available for films?

2007-08-05T01:46:33.0007Z

Definitely for initial capture...That's what most sites that catalog movies seem to prefer.

Then later on we introduce an editions property maybe, with relevant formats for how it is viewable...35 mm film, digital (whatever formats we ever end up using, seems up in the air as you have mentioned), DVD, laserdisk, 8 mm. Then we'd get into viewing ratios :)

Film: So when is film format going to be made available for films?

2007-08-04T02:07:16.0007Z

I used it in a demo just yesterday. I guess we would have to be clear about when the film format is used -- for filming? For initial feature presentation? Also, it seems like there are a bunch of digital standards with equivalent semantics. I wonder if there is a larger blanket term that includes both video and film?

Film: So when is film format going to be made available for films?

2007-08-04T01:34:42.0004Z

I see it exists, but is not currently linked to within film...Is it meant to be a co-type to be applied when desired?