Freebase Staffhttp://www.freebase.com/view/user/metawebFreebase Atom Feed Generatorhttp://www.freebase.com/view/education/universityFreebase: Discussion about College/University2009-11-17T04:56:32Zjeffhttp://www.freebase.com/view/user/jeff<p>The issue here, it turns out, is that Fraternity/Sorority is for the general organization, whereas the Student Organization type would really be for the chapters, so co-typing these seems inappropriate. Any thoughts on ways to proceed?</p>http://www.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000001122fd75The issue here, it turns out, is that Fraternity/Sorority is for the general organization, whereas...College/University: Fraternities and sororities2009-11-16T23:30:50.0013Zjeffhttp://www.freebase.com/view/user/jeff<p>Co-typing Frat/Sor as Student Organization, and removing the two properties that connect it to College/University makes a lot of sense to me. I'll create a refactoring task and run it past the mailing lists.</p>http://www.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000001122ef2fCo-typing Frat/Sor as Student Organization, and removing the two properties that connect it to...College/University: Fraternities and sororities2009-11-16T23:08:54.0006Zsprocketonlinehttp://www.freebase.com/view/user/sprocketonline<div><p>There's a /education/educational_institution/student_organizations property which allows for student organizations. <a href="/type/schema/education/student_organization" rel="nofollow">http://www.freebase.com/type/schema/education/student_organization</a></p>
<p>I think the question might actually be how is a fraternity/sorority different from a student organization? Does it require its own property?</p></div>http://www.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000001118968eThere's a /education/educational_institution/student_organizations property which allows for...College/University: Fraternities and sororities2009-11-16T18:09:05.0011Zskudhttp://www.freebase.com/view/user/skud<div><p>Why only social organisations? What is "social" anyway? Why not have something more like a "Student organisation" that just includes /org/org and links to a university (or educational institution), so that it can include everything from fraternities/sororities to things like the International Students Society, Students for Christ, the Society of Computer Science Students, or the Bushwalking Club.</p>
<p>FWIW, in Australia the model for student orgs is that you can form any kind of club or society you want, and if you fulfil certain requirements (usually to do with paperwork, organisational structure, and having some good purpose, i.e. not <em>only</em> drinking) you can affiliate yourself with the Student Union (a university-wide organisation to which most(?) students belong -- question mark because I think they shifted from compulsory to voluntary student union membership a few years ago), and use SU resources and get funding from the SU for your activities. All the examples I gave above (eg. International Students Society) are real ones that I've known at Australian universities. I am not aware of any fraternities/sororities at Australian universities.</p></div>http://www.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f800000001117c96bWhy only social organisations? What is "social" anyway? Why not have something more like a ...College/University: Fraternities and sororities2009-11-16T17:56:05.0031Zsprocketonlinehttp://www.freebase.com/view/user/sprocketonline<div><p>Very US-centric, but as jeff points out a number of other sorts of social organizations do exist in other regions.</p>
<p>I'd like to propose placing a less-US centric type in the schema (but keep the fraternity/sorority type as well). Could I suggest the following:</p>
<ul><li>create a new type /education/university_social_organization</li>
<li>recreate the properties /colleges_and_universities, /colors, /symbol, /founded_location in /education/university_social_organization</li>
<li>make the above shared properties on /education/fraternity_sorority and have /education/university_social_organization as an included type of /education/fraternity_sorority</li>
<li>change the property /education/university/fraternities_and_sororities to be named "social organization" and expect the /education/university_social_organization</li>
</ul><p>I think this would improve the schema, and minimise the amount of breaking changes. Comments?</p></div>http://www.freebase.com/view/guid/9202a8c04000641f8000000010f2f8e7Very US-centric, but as jeff points out a number of other sorts of social organizations do exist in...College/University: Fraternities and sororities2009-11-15T21:59:14.0028Z