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    <updated>2008-08-22T00:57:45Z</updated>
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    <name>cheunger</name>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;freevase?&amp;nbsp; I mean freebase. ;)&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">freevase?&amp;nbsp; I mean freebase. ;) </summary>
    <title>Book: Book Titles in other languages</title>
    <updated>2008-04-10T21:08:57.0007Z</updated>
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    <name>cheunger</name>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'm afraid that currently, there is no good answer on how we should name books (and such) with non-english titles.&amp;nbsp; There's been discussion around this issue - see the data-model list for the &lt;a href="http://lists.freebase.com/pipermail/data-modeling/2008-March/000414.html"&gt;thread&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; Unfortunately, that also does not answer your question at hand.&amp;nbsp; Aliases show up in autocomplete, so you can input either the original language title or english title as the alias and it will show up in autocomplete. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;Also, you can check out this excellent &lt;a href="http://blog.freebase.com/2007/12/04/internationalization-in-freebase/"&gt;blog post&lt;/a&gt; about freevase and internationalization by &lt;a href="/view/user/crism"&gt;crism&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">I'm afraid that currently, there is no good answer on how we should name books (and such) with non...</summary>
    <title>Book: Book Titles in other languages</title>
    <updated>2008-04-10T21:08:34.0007Z</updated>
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    <name>jeff</name>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is fairly common problem, unfortunately. This was discussed on the Freebase data-modeling mailing list a little while ago, starting with &lt;a href="http://lists.freebase.com/pipermail/data-modeling/2008-March/000414.html"&gt;this message&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;More generally, this &lt;a href="http://blog.freebase.com/2007/12/04/internationalization-in-freebase/ "&gt;post on the Freebase blog&lt;/a&gt; discusses some of the ways internationalization is (and isn't) handled in Freebase.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In the short term, I'd recommend using the English title (when there is one) as the main title, and entering the original-language title as an alias. (If you're entering book &lt;em&gt;editions&lt;/em&gt;, however, you should always enter the title as it appears on the book, no matter what language it's in.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If you're feeling enterprising, and don't mind mucking about in MQL, you can try to insert the title in Spanish, following the examples in the blog post. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">This is fairly common problem, unfortunately. This was discussed on the Freebase data-modeling...</summary>
    <title>Book: Book Titles in other languages</title>
    <updated>2008-04-10T20:13:59.0000Z</updated>
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    <name>brunogarcia</name>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Yeap, i have the same problem with Vargas Llosa.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Yeap, i have the same problem with Vargas Llosa. </summary>
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    <updated>2008-04-10T18:53:09.0000Z</updated>
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    <name>bonariabiancu</name>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;I agree: fortunately there are many sources to get records (and also full-texts) from out there. The last suggestion I would give you in this phase is to look also at Open Library, a project by Internet Archive to build the biggest free library on the net. This is the address: http://demo.openlibrary.org/.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">I agree: fortunately there are many sources to get records (and also full-texts) from out there....</summary>
    <title>Book: "Referenced books" or bibliography list</title>
    <updated>2007-10-15T19:14:48.0000Z</updated>
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    <name>jeff</name>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;The LibraryThing model is a very interesting one, and is probably worth exploring further. It seems like there are some very good potential sources for book data out there, and I'm sorry to say that we just haven't had much time to sort them all out. We will get to it though! I just can't say for sure when.  The difficulty of sorting the properties from one data-source into Freebase's system is pretty surmountable, though -- we've done it with music data from MusicBrainz, for one, and the music schema is almost as arcane as the book schema.&lt;br /&gt;
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My guess re xISBN is that we probably qualify as commerical, but it's such a useful tool I'm sure we'll at least look into it when we get serious about loading more book data.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">The LibraryThing model is a very interesting one, and is probably worth exploring further. It seems...</summary>
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    <updated>2007-10-15T17:40:49.0000Z</updated>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Hi Jeff, it was so exciting to see the "online versions" link in the book record: WOW! :)&lt;br /&gt;
Now a problem might be the fact that some users have already put the link to online version of a book in the "Web link" metadata; I don't know if there is an authomated way to draw the value from "Web link" to fill the "Online version" considering that probably lots of "Web links" are there to intend "link to related websites" and not to the "online version" of the book itself... I'm trying to correct all the books I come across but I'm not sure I'll manage to cover all of them...&lt;br /&gt;
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Related books: I'm not sure I have understood the problem, but if the point is: let's do an *interface* that gather all the info about the book, showing them like Google Books does, I think - optimistically :) - it's only a matter of time...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
xISBN conditions: &lt;br /&gt;
"The xISBN Web service is free for non-commercial use when usage does not exceed 500 requests per day. [...]&lt;br /&gt;
The service is also available on a subscription basis for non-commercial and commercial use for usage that meets or exceeds 500 requests per day." &lt;br /&gt;
(from http://www.worldcat.org/affiliate/webservices/xisbn/app.jsp). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To me, it'd be interesting to use xISBN to *gain* "a substantial amount of data" (i.e. to upload bulk of books' records): you could query the OCLC database by ISBNs already on Freebase and pull down the related editions... Here comes another question I'd like to ask: I think  it might be useful for users that want to create books in FB, have the possibility to search the main library opacs (online public access catalogs), as Librarything does - for example the opac of Library of Congress or the Worldcat one etc. The user could then capture the metadata of the book authomatedly, instead of fill in manually every metadata of the book ("copyright", "year", "subject", "Dewey Class" etc.). &lt;br /&gt;
I don't know, however, considering the structure of the books represented in FB, if in this case you can &lt;br /&gt;
1) extract only some of the metadata from, say, the Library of Congress' record, and put them in the FB *book's record* and &lt;br /&gt;
2) then put the other metadata in the FB *editions' record*.&lt;br /&gt;
(all in a way invisible for the user...)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In fact the record of a book in FB is about the *intellectual work* and doesn't contain all the info that, instead, are contained in the editions' records...&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Hi Jeff, it was so exciting to see the "online versions" link in the book record: WOW! :)
Now a...</summary>
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    <updated>2007-10-13T10:49:25.0000Z</updated>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;I added "online versions" to the book type.  Thanks for that link to LibraryThing -- that's a pretty exciting project.  Regarding xISBN, it would definitely be useful once we have a substantial amount of data; I didn't look into their licensing, so I don't know whether we could use it or not, but it's something we'll definitely look into.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">I added "online versions" to the book type. Thanks for that link to LibraryThing -- that's a...</summary>
    <title>Book: "Referenced books" or bibliography list</title>
    <updated>2007-10-11T23:19:48.0007Z</updated>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;I definitely agree about online versions having their own links; I'll add it to book as soon as I get a second, but I'll wait on the other types (story, poem, etc.) for a new feature.&lt;br /&gt;
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As far as related books go, I'm not sure. If it really is just books on the same subjects, we already are storing that information; to put it in another property as well means that users will have to query against both properties if they want a complete list.  I could imagine someone writing an app that displayed Freebase books in a manner similar to Google books' display, though, which would be very cool. But I'm reluctant to put in duplicate data just because of the constraints of the current UI.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">I definitely agree about online versions having their own links; I'll add it to book as soon as I...</summary>
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    <updated>2007-10-10T23:44:39.0007Z</updated>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Related books: mmmhhh... I'm not so sure that "one click away" is as having related books displayed in the same page... Have you had a look on books' pages in Google Books? This is what I mean.&lt;br /&gt;
What about xISBN? May be it could be useful for bulk uploading of  bibliographical information and - once it is retrieved - it could be nice to see all in the same space.&lt;br /&gt;
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Websites: I agree on "weblinks" + qualification in the title. That covers, however, only the sites of/about a book. I think it's important to preserve also the full-text link for all the digitized books that more and more public and private companies are putting online. Here a problem could be how to link books digitized by other providers, like Google Books. There is an interesting work going on by Librarything about this: http://www.librarything.com/blog/2007/09/google-book-search-on-librarything.php.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Related books: mmmhhh... I'm not so sure that "one click away" is as having related books displayed...</summary>
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    <updated>2007-10-10T20:01:09.0000Z</updated>
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    <name>jeff</name>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;The consensus on the data-modeling list is that the current "web links" property is probably sufficient for related web sites. The web links property accepts both a URL and a "title", which can be used for description -- "official website"; "fan website", etc.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">The consensus on the data-modeling list is that the current "web links" property is probably...</summary>
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    <updated>2007-10-10T17:35:57.0007Z</updated>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;I think we're already capturing this information, then -- editions are separate topics from books, and are linked from the book topic via the "editions" property; the "book subject" type already links the books (and, I think, essays) on the same topics. The related books are one click away, rather than being on the same page, but I think this should work well enough.&lt;br /&gt;
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I've gone back and forth about 5 times in the last couple minutes about whether we should have a separate property for "related websites" or whether we should just use the default "web links" property.  There's a case for either.  I'll post a query on the data-modeling list and see what people think.  Your additional thoughts on this would be very welcome, too.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">I think we're already capturing this information, then -- editions are separate topics from books,...</summary>
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    <updated>2007-10-08T22:35:01.0000Z</updated>
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    <name>bonariabiancu</name>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;I think I have the point for what you say about impossibilty of using types to represent expressions/manifestations.&lt;br /&gt;
I'll continue to follow the developing of the project - it's so exciting for a librarian :)!&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">I think I have the point for what you say about impossibilty of using types to represent...</summary>
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    <updated>2007-10-08T19:37:30.0000Z</updated>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;As "related books" I intend related editions of the same book (by means of xISBN?), and may be also the books that share the same subject.&lt;br /&gt;
For "link to web" it could be interesting to link web sites related to the book - for instance the website of Wikinomics &lt;http://www.wikinomics.com/&gt; for the homonym book &lt;http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/71266654&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
In addition you could keep the "full-text" for the online version.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">As "related books" I intend related editions of the same book (by means of xISBN?), and may be also...</summary>
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    <updated>2007-10-08T19:11:49.0000Z</updated>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;What sort of information, or rather, what type of relationship would you expect "related books" to capture? "Link to full text" is a good idea; I had bee thinking the "website" property could do for that, but you're right that a specific property would be easier to use.  I want to hold off on adding it until a new feature is implemented that will allow me to add the property to book, poem, story, etc. more easily and consistently.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">What sort of information, or rather, what type of relationship would you expect "related books" to...</summary>
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    <updated>2007-09-26T19:01:48.0007Z</updated>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;I think the publishing domain is not that far off from the FRBR model, although obviously they don't coincide entirely (we have no equivalent for "item", for example). This is how I would interpret the "Divine Comedy" in FRBR and in Freebase:&lt;br /&gt;
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FRBR:&lt;br /&gt;
Work: "Divina Commedia";&lt;br /&gt;
   Expressions: the original Italian version; Mark Musa's English translation&lt;br /&gt;
       Manifestations: "The Divine Comedy: Volume 1: Inferno" (publication of part of Musa's translation by Penguin); "The Divine Comedy" (Musa's translation as published in "The Portable Dante: Revised Edition"); "Lo purgatorio di Dante Alighieri Fiorentino" (a 1904 edition of the Purgatorio in the original Italian).&lt;br /&gt;
            Item: The copy of Musa's "Inferno" that I read in my Medieval Lit class once upon a time&lt;br /&gt;
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Freebase:&lt;br /&gt;
"The Divine Comedy" [for better or worse, we tend to use English display names] (types include: poem, translated work) [the abstract notion of the poem]&lt;br /&gt;
"The Divine Comedy" (types include: translation, published work) [Musa's English Translation]&lt;br /&gt;
"The Divine Comedy: Volume 1: Inferno" (types include: book edition) [the Penguin Classics edition of Musa's translation]&lt;br /&gt;
"The Portable Dante: Revised Edition" (types include: book edition, publication) [includes Musa's translation in the "contents" property]&lt;br /&gt;
"Lo purgatorio di Dante Alighieri Fiorentino" (types: book edition) [the 1904 Italian Purgatorio]&lt;br /&gt;
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The reason that we can't use types to represent expressions/manifestations and have to resort to separate topics for each separate translation and publication, is this: Say we added a type like "published work" to the Divine Comedy topic, and this type was intended to contain information for every publication of the work (so it would have properties like "date of publication", "publisher", etc.).  Each of those properties would have literally hundreds of instances: there would be hundreds of "dates published" and "publishers" but there would be no way to know which date(s) went with which publisher.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">I think the publishing domain is not that far off from the FRBR model, although obviously they don...</summary>
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    <updated>2007-09-24T17:35:28.0007Z</updated>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;What do you say of thinking the book's subject as its TOPIC and the manifestions of this topic as TYPES? Esample: "Divina Commedia", intended as the intellectual work, could be represented as a topic and the books or articles or films or whatever features the "Divina Commedia", as the types of that topic - every type with its properties... Something similar to the FRBR &lt;http://www.ifla.org/VII/s13/frbr/frbr.pdf&gt; - a concept model used in library catalogs to gather all the "manifestions" of an intellectual work.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">What do you say of thinking the book's subject as its TOPIC and the manifestions of this topic as...</summary>
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    <updated>2007-09-22T10:13:38.0005Z</updated>
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    <name>gmackenz</name>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;I view works set here as a more 'universal' listing of items from all media and so is complementary to the more specific list of book series, film series, game series, tv series, comicbook series (superman is a classic example of all this).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So using the Freebase=iPod metaphor (in celebration of the iPod Touch launch) Fictional Universe could be the master playlist of all superman media and each media domain has a more specific subset playlist :)&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">I view works set here as a more 'universal' listing of items from all media and so is complementary...</summary>
    <title>Book: Book should have similar series properties as Film does</title>
    <updated>2007-09-06T18:09:09.0007Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>jeff</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/jeff</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;How should we address the overlap of data with fictional universe?  Fictional universe has the property "works set here", which in many cases will be identical with a property like "books in this series".&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">How should we address the overlap of data with fictional universe? Fictional universe has the...</summary>
    <title>Book: Book should have similar series properties as Film does</title>
    <updated>2007-09-05T22:45:16.0007Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>jeff</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/jeff</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;I'm not sure about the sequel/prequel properties, since a lot of series aren't really ordered. Series that include both novels and stories often have an order for the novels, but the stories don't necessarily fit.  But we absolutely do need a book series schema; I'll add it to my queue!&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">I'm not sure about the sequel/prequel properties, since a lot of series aren't really ordered....</summary>
    <title>Book: Book should have similar series properties as Film does</title>
    <updated>2007-09-05T17:06:10.0007Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>gmackenz</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/gmackenz</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Series (Book/Article/Essay/Short Story) = Topic&lt;br /&gt;
Prequal = Book&lt;br /&gt;
Sequal = Book&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Series (Book/Article/Essay/Short Story) = Topic
Prequal = Book
Sequal = Book </summary>
    <title>Book: Book should have similar series properties as Film does</title>
    <updated>2007-08-31T21:55:32.0005Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>sgmils</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/sgmils</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;I fully appreciate the concern, Jeff, and your note is not falling on deaf ears. The tools I mentioned above are moving through development, and I'm convening the admins within the next week to discuss the responsibilities of the role (we haven't previously formalized this). I realized that may not be a fully satisfactory answer, and I hope you'll bear with us through alpha as we work out these kinks. &lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">I fully appreciate the concern, Jeff, and your note is not falling on deaf ears. The tools I...</summary>
    <title>sgmils: Are type administrators notified of a comment?</title>
    <updated>2007-08-20T21:11:55.0000Z</updated>
  </entry><entry>
    <author>
    <name>jefft0</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/jefft0</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Correction: the link to the Biology page post about Organism Classification is &lt;a href = "http://www.freebase.com/view/discuss/%239202a8c04000641f8000000003cc036a#%239202a8c04000641f8000000004f2c5f5"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Correction: the link to the Biology page post about Organism Classification is here. </summary>
    <title>sgmils: Are type administrators notified of a comment?</title>
    <updated>2007-08-20T20:09:39.0000Z</updated>
  </entry><entry>
    <author>
    <name>jefft0</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/jefft0</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Hi Sarah. &lt;a href = "http://www.freebase.com/view/discuss/%239202a8c04000641f8000000005954fb1"&gt;This post&lt;/a&gt; has been on the Taxon type discussion page for a week. &lt;a href = "http://www.freebase.com/view/discuss/%239202a8c04000641f8000000003cc036a#%239202a8c04000641f8000000004f2c5f5"&gt;This post&lt;a/&gt; has been on the Biology page for most of the month with a recent comment from user lukeschubert asking for a response from domain administrators to promote a user type for Organism Classification which is already being used to populate a lot of data. The fear is that the domain administrators are not responding because they have their own plans for an organism classification type which will wipe out the work that I and other users have put in to a user-supplied type. Even a small message from the domain administrators would be useful, especially if they plan to supply their own type and data uploads to override the efforts of the user community so we don't waste our time. You get the picture.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Hi Sarah. This post has been on the Taxon type discussion page for a week. This post has been on...</summary>
    <title>sgmils: Are type administrators notified of a comment?</title>
    <updated>2007-08-20T20:06:59.0007Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>crism</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/crism</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Hey, Ken. I think that if you start prototyping, you’ll find that specific CRM applications and CRM business practices have very different properties and would warrant different types. A good rule of thumb for types is the phrase “X is a Y,” &lt;i&gt;e.g.&lt;/i&gt; “&lt;cite&gt;Gone with the Wind&lt;/cite&gt; is a film.” What does it mean to say that something “is a CRM”? I think it is more natural to say that something “is a CRM software product,” or “is a CRM business practice.” Try making a few types in your personal domain, adding instances, and see how it goes.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Hey, Ken. I think that if you start prototyping, you’ll find that specific CRM applications and CRM...</summary>
    <title>sgmils: populating the business domain</title>
    <updated>2007-08-18T21:13:06.0000Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>kpt</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/kpt</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Thanks for you’re your replies Sarah and Alexander!&lt;br /&gt;
I should say up-front that I’m feeling a bit muddled in my thoughts on this, but let’s see where it goes…&lt;br /&gt;
First a simple question: Will it be possible for content served-up on a single Freebase page to wear a variety of types applied to discrete sections within the page, or will types (and/or tags) always apply to a whole page?&lt;br /&gt;
Okay the next bit is more complicated. I’ll use the example of CRM; I’m not sure how familiar you’ll be with the subject, so please forgive me if my dialog is a bit pedantic. &lt;br /&gt;
It is easy to imaging a range of pages that would use the type ‘CRM’. They might include content about:&lt;br /&gt;
1.  Specific examples of CRM applications (software)&lt;br /&gt;
2.  CRM applications generally, and sub-variants like SaaS, hosted and stand-alone, possibly for a range of user environment contexts (home office, SME, enterprise)&lt;br /&gt;
3.  CRM as a business practice, concentrating on software and its use&lt;br /&gt;
4.  CRM divided into separate types of discrete, software-centred business functions including operational, analytic and collaborative CRM (this dominating current Wikipedia content, as posted by META Group (a commercial IT &amp; business consultancy))&lt;br /&gt;
5.  CRM as a broader, organisation-spanning business function, and even a business attribute or ethos, tied to the concept of consumer orientation (this being a more objectively valid, contemporary interpretation in business and academic contexts)&lt;br /&gt;
Now, taking #1 above, a specific CRM application it is quite easy to imagine a likely set of appropriate types that could be applied to a single page detailing, for example, the CRM application (or service) sold by Salesforce.com: CRM, customer relationship management, software, CRM software, Salesforce, salesforce.com, on-demand CRM, SaaS CRM, etc. &lt;br /&gt;
On the other hand, #5 above is a harder case (for me) to relate to Freebase. Contributors to CRM content in this context might want to discuss CRM:&lt;br /&gt;
•  in applied examples, &lt;br /&gt;
•  with reference or academic research, &lt;br /&gt;
•  as business practice or policy, &lt;br /&gt;
•  with reference to related practices or concepts such as customer service, IMC or organisational consumer orientation,&lt;br /&gt;
•  and so on.&lt;br /&gt;
From this list I find it particularly hard to envision how academic or theoretical perspectives and content will combine with, or be isolated from, applied business content or 'lay-persons' content. &lt;br /&gt;
A related and more concise question: Where content refers to a related but non-central area of theory, how will types or tags help people interested in researching that second subject find the bit of relevant content within the first? (ie: how will types or tags aid searches for ‘consumer orientation’ to locate relevant content existing under CRM types and tags? Will full-text search actually be the relevant tool in this instance, instead of types or tags?&lt;br /&gt;
Perhaps CRM is a poor example to discuss this confusion, because we might not often discuss CRM as a purely theoretical or experimental subject. The other example I mentioned previously, involvement theory, might be more clear. &lt;br /&gt;
As I mentioned, involvement theory might be associated with types such as 'attention', 'product interest', 'hierarchy of effects', 'brand awareness', and so on. But the main words are probably 'involvement' and 'theory'.&lt;br /&gt;
Freebase content about advertising might contain reference to involvement, for example re ad design targeting certain types of involvement identified in target audiences.&lt;br /&gt;
But involvement discussed in an academic context can be quite distant from the practice of advertising – and far more complex.&lt;br /&gt;
My confusion is, again, concerned with separating the academic from other uses of a concept. This might arise in any subject area or discipline; if I want to post complex research-based information, the appropriate place might not be on a page where the subject is discussed generally or is shown as a smaller element of another subject. If someone looks for ‘cognitive involvement’ they might ideally find reference to types including ‘advertising’ and ‘theory’, but where does the content meet for a user? &lt;br /&gt;
--&gt; Perhaps, simply, ‘theory’ will be a useful type? A problem might exist here, though, because if academic and practical / general information tends to share the same pages, then virtually everything will bear the type ‘theory’ and all Freebase content might evolve as a muddle of the simple and the complex in content and perspectives. &lt;br /&gt;
Does that make any sense, or am I leading myself down a pointless maze of thinking?&lt;br /&gt;
If you are still with me, thanks!&lt;br /&gt;
Cheers,&lt;br /&gt;
Ken &lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Thanks for you’re your replies Sarah and Alexander!
I should say up-front that I’m feeling a bit...</summary>
    <title>sgmils: populating the business domain</title>
    <updated>2007-08-18T02:29:29.0000Z</updated>
  </entry><entry>
    <author>
    <name>alexander</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/alexander</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Hi Ken, welcome to Freebase! The type system in Freebase is best suited for representing clearly defined "is a" relationships: Ken &lt;i&gt;is a&lt;/i&gt; Person, Australia &lt;i&gt;is a&lt;/i&gt; Country, etc. More loosely defined "tag" relationships are potentially useful, though, and we're currently thinking about the best way to facilitate that. Patterns noticed in these looser "tags" could then be evolved by the community into full type schemas. Is this the sort of thing you were thinking of? Also, you should feel very free to experiment with your own type creations in your user domain -- you can "publish" the ones you want to show to the world. I'm interested to know more about what you're envisaging, so please let me know what your thoughts are (we can continue the discussion on the Business domain page).&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Hi Ken, welcome to Freebase! The type system in Freebase is best suited for representing clearly...</summary>
    <title>sgmils: populating the business domain</title>
    <updated>2007-08-15T00:15:53.0007Z</updated>
  </entry><entry>
    <author>
    <name>sgmils</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/sgmils</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Hey, Ken. Great questions. I'm going to huddle up with the business admins and see if we can pull together some answers. Stay tuned.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Hey, Ken. Great questions. I'm going to huddle up with the business admins and see if we can pull...</summary>
    <title>sgmils: populating the business domain</title>
    <updated>2007-08-14T19:21:42.0000Z</updated>
  </entry><entry>
    <author>
    <name>sgmils</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/sgmils</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Hey, Jeff. As of today, we have two imperfect systems for making sure admins see comments in their domains. First, we have crude internal tools that let us see activity on the site, including discussions. Admins generally keep an eye on those. Second, I keep an eye on the discussions and the admins, pointing out questions or suggestions in their domains that have gone for several days without reply. We get to nearly everything--so your comments should attract replies--but I'll be the first to admit that we're not at 100%, particularly when a comment or question doesn't have a straightforward answer. So if you've posted and haven't gotten a reply after a week, consider reposting.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I'll add that we are working on two features that'll help everyone keep on top of discussions. Before long, we'll have RSS feeds for them, and we're also cooking up an admin dashboard that'll help people keep on top of all activity in their area/s of responsibility.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hope that helps!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Hey, Jeff. As of today, we have two imperfect systems for making sure admins see comments in their...</summary>
    <title>sgmils: Are type administrators notified of a comment?</title>
    <updated>2007-08-14T19:19:34.0007Z</updated>
  </entry><entry>
    <author>
    <name>jefft0</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/jefft0</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Hi again Sarah. Since you've been so helpful, might I ask another question. If I post a discussion comment for a type, do the type/domain administrators get notified, for example on their Freebase home page? Or do I have to hope that the administrators sooner or later get around to examining the discussion pages for their types?&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Hi again Sarah. Since you've been so helpful, might I ask another question. If I post a discussion...</summary>
    <title>sgmils: Are type administrators notified of a comment?</title>
    <updated>2007-08-14T02:31:56.0011Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>kpt</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/kpt</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Hi Sarah,&lt;br /&gt;
I've been looking at content in the Business domain. My areas of interest and knowledge might be characterised under types such as 'theory' and 'practice', but I'm not sure what types do or should be created to give structure to information like this in the domain. Perhaps you have some thoughts?&lt;br /&gt;
For example, customer relationship management (crm). Although there is a bit of (poor, wiki-imported) content listed for this subject, the subject has no types associated with it. Where to begin with envisaging a set of types that will help to make content in a domain like this to be navigable and logical? &lt;br /&gt;
Another example, based on one of my 'pet' areas of thought: Involvement. It is obviously a general word with endless possible meanings or attributions. In my case I would be referring to a specific body of theory relating to consumer behaviour and psychology, falling logically under many broader headings such as (ordered toward broader, less specific possible types) 'attention', 'product interest', 'heirarchy of effects', 'brand awareness', 'communication theory', 'consumer behaviour', 'advertising', 'marketing - theory', 'marketing - practice'... this brief example could go on and on and also would span several domains.&lt;br /&gt;
Could you share any ideas or comments about how types are going to evolve to help clarify content that often will span across business practice and academic thought?&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks in advance for any thoughts.&lt;br /&gt;
Ken Thomas&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Hi Sarah,
I've been looking at content in the Business domain. My areas of interest and knowledge...</summary>
    <title>sgmils: populating the business domain</title>
    <updated>2007-08-14T02:13:29.0004Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>jefft0</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/jefft0</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Thanks Chris for the &lt;a href = "http://www.freebase.com/view/helpindex?id=%239202a8c04000641f80000000012090ef"&gt;help&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Thanks Chris for the help </summary>
    <title>sgmils: Links in comments?</title>
    <updated>2007-08-03T05:44:52.0007Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>crism</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/crism</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="/view/user?id=/user/jefft0" title="jefft0 : Freebase"&gt;Jeff&lt;/a&gt;, it’s not the most user-friendly thing in the world, but you can just use a subset of &lt;acronym title="Hypertext Markup Language"&gt;HTML&lt;/acronym&gt; in its raw form in the comment editor.&lt;p&gt;—&lt;a href="/view/user?id=/user/crism" title="crism : Freebase"&gt;Chris&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Jeff, it’s not the most user-friendly thing in the world, but you can just use a subset of HTML in...</summary>
    <title>sgmils: Links in comments?</title>
    <updated>2007-08-03T02:18:09.0008Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>jefft0</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/jefft0</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Hi Sarah. Thanks for the quick reply to my question on the Biology page. When I post my question I want to put in the neat links that I see in other people comments. But when I click Reply, my edit window doesn't have the usual toolbar to let me put links in the text. How do you do that? (Do you folks use a special editor that not in the reply window on the web page?) &lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Hi Sarah. Thanks for the quick reply to my question on the Biology page. When I post my question I...</summary>
    <title>sgmils: Links in comments?</title>
    <updated>2007-08-03T01:15:59.0011Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>faye</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/faye</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the explanation, Jeff. HPATOOTP? That's one of the longest shorthands I've ever seen LOL! :)&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Thanks for the explanation, Jeff. HPATOOTP? That's one of the longest shorthands I've ever seen LOL...</summary>
    <title>Book: Non-Fiction vs. Fiction?</title>
    <updated>2007-08-02T00:21:44.0007Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>jeff</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/jeff</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;All the various character types (book, film, tv, comic book, comic strip, play, opera, video game) have "fictional character" as an included type (or they were meant to; I'm too lazy to go verify that right now), because that's the most common case; you can always remove the type if it doesn't fit.  If it transpires that non-fiction books are having significant numbers of characters entered, we should revisit that decision, though. There are two main reasons for having several character types -- one is so that every fictional character doesn't have a long list of properties ("books appears in"; "plays appears in", "comic books appears in", etc.) since comparatively few characters will actually have that many various appearances.  The other is that a few of them (film, tv, theater, opera, and potentially video game) have additional properties that are specific to their domains and so require separate types.  Having extra book, comic book, etc. character types allows us to be consistent.  (HPATOOTP won both the Bram Stoker and German Phantastik Preis awards, you'll be happy to know -- feel free to add them!)&lt;br /&gt;
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    <summary type="html">All the various character types (book, film, tv, comic book, comic strip, play, opera, video game)...</summary>
    <title>Book: Non-Fiction vs. Fiction?</title>
    <updated>2007-07-27T21:30:07.0007Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>faye</name>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Hold on -- my mistake. Book Character has Fictional Character as an included type? Hmm, interesting choice. Why do we need the Book Character type then? ;) And how do I find all the non-fictional books that have a certain person who's not the subject? There's no way to query for that in Freebase?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I stand by my wish for co-typing "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" as a "Literature Award Winner", but it may be time to go home now that I no longer think faster than I type. ;)&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Hold on -- my mistake. Book Character has Fictional Character as an included type? Hmm, interesting...</summary>
    <title>Book: Non-Fiction vs. Fiction?</title>
    <updated>2007-07-26T02:14:51.0000Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>faye</name>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;I don't think the Character property is intended for fictional characters only; the expected type for that property is Book Character and not Fictional Character, which is a separate type in the Fictional Universes domain. The distinction I read from that is that non-fictional characters in a Book or Short Story would be typed Book Character but not Fictional Character, whereas fictional characters in a Book or Short Story would be co-typed both Book Character and Fictional Character. Isn't co-typing wonderful?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Speaking of which, I forgot to mention in my previous post that there is a "Work of Fiction" type that should be applied to fictions and can be used to distinguish them from non-fictions. The Publishing domain has an extensive array of types to help readers navigate the massive network of overlapping categories. For example, "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" would be co-typed "Book", "Work of Fiction", "Published Work", "Serial Installment", "Reviewed Work", and I hope, "Literature Award Winner" or at least "Literature Award Nominee." I'm a fan all right. :)&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">I don't think the Character property is intended for fictional characters only; the expected type...</summary>
    <title>Book: Non-Fiction vs. Fiction?</title>
    <updated>2007-07-26T01:58:55.0007Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>sgmils</name>
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  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Right. I think the tricky thing here is that the Character property is intended for fictional characters only--though, as you note, people do use "character" to refer to people (and dogs and wookies and other sentient beings) in both fiction and non-fiction. The Subjects property is where we'd list real people, though there isn't anything stopping you from putting fictional characters in there, too. The good news is that the "What do I input?" info for these is pretty helpful.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Right. I think the tricky thing here is that the Character property is intended for fictional...</summary>
    <title>Book: Non-Fiction vs. Fiction?</title>
    <updated>2007-07-26T01:26:47.0000Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>faye</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/faye</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Whether a book has characters or not does not always correspond to whether the book is a fiction or non-fiction. Book Character as a type is not limited to fictions. For example, "A Beautiful Mind" is a non-fiction biography in which John Nash is definitely &lt;i&gt;a&lt;/i&gt; (not to mention &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; main) Book Character. But because the character is, for all purposes of this discussion, "real", the type Fictional Character would not apply. Note the difference.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh, and it's OK to leave fields blank. :)&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Whether a book has characters or not does not always correspond to whether the book is a fiction or...</summary>
    <title>Book: Non-Fiction vs. Fiction?</title>
    <updated>2007-07-26T00:12:45.0000Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>sgmils</name>
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  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;The genre field lets you label a book as fiction or non-fiction. These aren't mutually exclusive, and you can add more than one genre to a book. The question about characters, though, doesn't have a perfect answer. Either we have the current situation, in which a lot of books have a necessarily blank field (i.e., non-fiction works), or we change the defaults and require a book to be typed as fiction before you can add characters.
One semi-workaround for the blank characters is that you can hide empty fields, as per the link near the top of the page. It hides all fields, however, which may not always be what you want.
Hope that gets a little closer to what you're looking for!
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    <summary type="html">The genre field lets you label a book as fiction or non-fiction. These aren't mutually exclusive,...</summary>
    <title>Book: Non-Fiction vs. Fiction?</title>
    <updated>2007-07-25T23:31:03.0008Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>philosophygeek</name>
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  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Maybe there should be different categories for books?  I added "Naming and Necessity" by Saul Kripke today, which is a non-fiction book and there are certainly no characters in it.  Maybe there are other fields that are specific to non-fiction vs. fiction books?&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Maybe there should be different categories for books? I added "Naming and Necessity" by Saul...</summary>
    <title>Book: Non-Fiction vs. Fiction?</title>
    <updated>2007-07-25T00:38:34.1172Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>hds</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/hds</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Please ignore my previous comment - I just re-read the page on entering book information, ISBN13 is to be entered under the ISBN field.
Although it would be nice to have an auto conversion from the 10 digit version to the 13 digit version.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">Please ignore my previous comment - I just re-read the page on entering book information, ISBN13 is...</summary>
    <title>Book: ISBN</title>
    <updated>2007-07-19T15:07:04.0000Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>hds</name>
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    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Under Edition an ISBN13 property would also be useful (possibly necessary in the future). Also, I don't know if there is a way to standardise ISBN entry, so that the check digit is either always calculated or always 'X'. It would make searching for a book / edition by ISBN more straight forward.
To illustrate:
The Catcher in the Rye has the ISBN 0316769533, but it could be entered 031676953X, as the last digit is a calculated check digit and doesn't actually carry any meaning.
I thought I'd add to this - rather generic titled ISBN thread - rather than starting a new one.
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    <summary type="html">Under Edition an ISBN13 property would also be useful (possibly necessary in the future). Also, I...</summary>
    <title>Book: ISBN</title>
    <updated>2007-07-18T16:30:02.0007Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>techgnostic</name>
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  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;I was beginning to edit Umberto Eco. There is some information already populated. The titles of the books that were populated already were the English titles. Should they not be in the original Italian with the "also known as" filled in with the translated title? Maybe the English title should be in parentheses after the original title?
&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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    <summary type="html">I was beginning to edit Umberto Eco. There is some information already populated. The titles of the...</summary>
    <title>Book: Book Titles in other languages</title>
    <updated>2007-05-03T21:30:24.0012Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>colin</name>
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  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;ISBN is found in the "Edition" type -- books can have multiple editions, each with its own ISBN.
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    <summary type="html">ISBN is found in the "Edition" type -- books can have multiple editions, each with its own ISBN.
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    <title>Book: ISBN</title>
    <updated>2007-04-23T17:26:20.0006Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>rcheramy</name>
    <uri>http://www.freebase.com:80/view/user/rcheramy</uri>
  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Seems like logical metadata to capture.
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    <summary type="html">Seems like logical metadata to capture.
 </summary>
    <title>Book: ISBN</title>
    <updated>2007-04-22T03:03:40.0012Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>jeff</name>
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  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;It's working now.  I've started you off with the 1970 Hugo for "
&lt;a href="/view?id=%239202a8c04000641f800000000494a665"&gt;
 Time Considered as a Helix of Semi-Precious Stones
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."
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    <summary type="html">It's working now. I've started you off with the 1970 Hugo for "
 Time Considered as a Helix of...</summary>
    <title>Book: Awards?</title>
    <updated>2007-04-16T21:01:00.0006Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>jeff</name>
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  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Excellent idea. It should be pretty straightforward for me to translate the existing film award model to books.
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    <summary type="html">Excellent idea. It should be pretty straightforward for me to translate the existing film award...</summary>
    <title>Book: Awards?</title>
    <updated>2007-04-16T18:54:45.0000Z</updated>
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    <author>
    <name>jfry</name>
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  </author>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;I was just adding some data for Samuel R Delany and his works. I'd like to be able to add awards nominated and won.
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    <summary type="html">I was just adding some data for Samuel R Delany and his works. I'd like to be able to add awards...</summary>
    <title>Book: Awards?</title>
    <updated>2007-04-14T19:05:50.0012Z</updated>
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