Event vs. Recurring event
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Hi.
If there is a certain "Music Festival" that is a "Recurring event" (what is fine according to the description), then would it be useful to fill in the "Instance of recurring event" property of the "Event" type to be a self reference?
I understand that there could (or should?) be entries for each single festival (1st, 2nd,... or maybe with the year in the title) as "Event" and that they direct to the general main "Recurring event".
But since this is a Festival too, it has also the Event-Type. Should (or can) this type be removed from the main festival Entry without breaking any integrity?
I hope this makes all any sense.. .:D
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Well, my first question is, which music festival?
Is the music festival actually a recurring event? If so, it should be typed as such, and *not* as event. The instances should be eg. "2009 music festival", "2008 music festival", "2007 music festival", etc.
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Hi.
Just a few examples:
http://www.freebase.com/view/en/wacken_open_air
http://www.freebase.com/view/en/rock_am_ring
http://www.freebase.com/view/en/wave_gotik_treffen
http://www.freebase.com/view/en/download_festival
and so on...
The problem is that anything that is a "Musical Festival" automatically gets an "Event" too on creation. But I just read the "Lassie is an actor but *not* a Person" example in the help section. I think the same idea applies here... And I agree with you that the festival itself should not be an event and the (annual) instances should be one.
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Thomas,
Thanks for all the great work on music festivals. I joined your Woodstock base and will add some data - unfortunately I'm not familiar with the German festivals, so I can't help as much there.
The automatic cotyping of all music festivals as event is based on the fact that many festivals are one-time events (e.g., Live Aid, Woodstock), but one can always remove inappropriate types. If you'd like to clean up these (or other) topics, please select "remove type" from the "more options" drag-down menu under Event.
Thanks so much for your interest in Freebase, and please keep making good suggestions!
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Hi Mike,
thanks for your help.
As soon as I find the time I will clean the recurring festivals I am aware of and add the yearly instances where it is useful.
I think I will be a regular visitor and contributor to freebase. It's a pretty cool system. :D
And thanks for joining my base. I'm just in the state of exploring the views' capabilities. Sure there is room for many more interesting lists and galleries.
Thomas
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i'm thrown by the event cotype too. over at Conferences and Conventions we distinguish between a conference event and a series with th schema, i dont see why that woldnt work here.
also, why not cotype Performance , Crowd event or something?
I'm in the camp that says if a type has no properties it should be typed higher in the ontology. maybe we should consider this.
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I agree; this type is being used for two different things, which is both confusing and not very useful. There are types for concerts and concert tours that should be moved to the music commons Real Soon Now that might need to integrate with this in some way, too. They seem to be in a draft domain so I can't link to them at the moment.
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Performance is outta whack too. i got some time tonight. i'm gonna try to outdo them
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this type should be deleted. it is responsible for creating a big mess with event/recurring event.
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At the very least, Event should be removed as an included type. But unless anyone else has suggestions for properties of "Music Festival" that aren't already covered by Event, Recurring Event, Concert, or Concert Tour, I'd tend to agree that we could delete it.
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Why does this type have to provide any properties? Wouldn't it be sufficient to use it as "boolean tag". Because for human editors it is pretty obvious when to apply this type.
I mean there are two possibilities: A single event that is a festival and a recurring event that is a festival (in that case the instances should not be "tagged" as festival). So retrieving the festival title and other related information would require a more complex query... But the festival type would "gracefully degrade" while still adding the information: Is this a so called festival or not?
But the included event type should be removed a.s.a.p. :D
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I've removed "event" as an included type. I don't have a strong feeling about this type, one way or another (I've gone back and forth in my mind a couple tiems since my last post). I do see efi's point that there is some value in being able tell whether something is a "festival" as opposed to other type of concert.
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Another value of having "Music Festival" is discoverability. That's the way users think of these things. Just now I was looking for "Arts Festival" or just "Festival" which don't appear to exist (although there are independent duplicate Festival types in both the Ottawa and Vancouver bases as well as a Ballet Festival).
Using just Recurring Event seems like a very generic way of encoding these things. I'd love to see Festivals more fully fleshed out.
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wanna help out over here?
i'd personally like to see recurring event fleshed out. 'type of', and 'geographical scope' .
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