Split "None" from "Independent"
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"None" is squatting on "Independent" -- please split this into two topics.
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+1
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How about we just split off the "Political Party" section?
I now know how to use this handy little Split Tool here ...
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That'd need someone to move the Wikipedia keys as well (which you won't be able to do), but it's a good start.
You'll probably want to use the dev version of the Split Tool, as there are a number of issues with the current released version. Note that the new version actually does the write for you, rather than expecting you to copy it into the Query Editor!
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Thanks. I just used the dev version of the Split Tool and split off the "Political Party" section to a new "Independent" topic. It seems to have mostly worked, in that the new Independent political party has a lot of politicians, and those politicians now show their party as Independent; however, they're also still listed under "None" here ...
Could someone please move over the Wikipedia keys to the new topic?
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My mistake (think I was looking at a cached version) - "None" is no longer a political party and has no candidates.
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Looks good to me. Could somebody with appropriate privileges please move the Wikipedia keys? (and possibly the /en key as well).
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Cross-posting to /freebase in the hope the admins there may action this.
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(From Jamie Taylor, via email):
I'm very hesitant to suggest splitting the semantics of WP keys since the source (WP) treats them all as equivalent (i.e., all keys are opaque - splitting them makes an assumption that there is a specific semantic associated with each.)
By splitting the key set we are assuming that WP contributors are making a distinction between keys and that they make a specific selection among all the keys for use in Infoboxes, etc. WP contributor don't actually see the full collection of "keys" referring to an article - and thus will use whatever the current canonical name of the article is - thus our attribution of a special semantic to each key is probably a bad assumption.
I think it is great that we are splitting a topic - but I don't think we can separate keys from an external sources when the external source does not recognize the difference between keys. -
I would normally agree completely with this. Topic Updater does not like wikipedia keys to be split between topics; in fact, the enw version would automatically "fix" these splits if we did not put special logic in to not overwrite manual key swaps.
However, this looks like a special case. For some reason, the wikipedia keys for the Independent Party got merged into the uber-topic (or black hole, depending on your viewpoint) "None". AFAIK, there is no reason that "None" should have any wikipedia keys at all.
+1 on the split, and moving all wikipedia keys for the Independent Party on to the split topic. We'll make it happen today. -
Precisely. We're just trying to unpick the merge which happened on the 7th April; there is no "external source" which thinks that "Independent" is the same as "None".
Here's a question for anyone interested: why did Merge Bot decide to merge the two? As far as I can see, it was due to this duplicate collection, which led to this merge task, which got two "don't merge" votes. So what's merge bot doing here?
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My icon shows up next to the "status completed" line in the history, so it's likely that I voted for the merge as admin, but there's no record of the admin vote that I can find. My rationale was presumably that the "independent" political party is equivalent to "none" -- that is, it's not a political party at all, it's just the conventional way that "none-ness" is expressed for politicians' party affiliation.
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